Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 03/12/2014 07:58, Simon Hollenbach a écrit : Sent this to Pierre's private mail first. Sorry. Hi Pierre, you might want to dig further into this, Mmm, what is my other choice ? W8 ? Ubuntu ? as I can't see how a developer could fix the error you are experiencing without more information.

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI: >> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 >> >> Aaron Toponce wrote: It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm only an end user but I diskl

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Sent this to Pierre's private mail first. Sorry. Hi Pierre, you might want to dig further into this, as I can't see how a developer could fix the error you are experiencing without more information. Have you tried chrooting into the unbootable system from an install cd's rescue mode? Is there

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 03/12/2014 06:24, Charlie a écrit : On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:04:00 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: Save the file and the do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. When this is complete and everything is configured. I did that. But I had to repeat the upgrade operation many times until I get a cl

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 03:04:00 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: > > Save the file and the do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. > > When this is complete and everything is configured. > I did that. But I had to repeat the upgrade operation many times > until I get a clear system with no more packe

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 03/12/2014 01:17, Charlie a écrit : Thank you very much ! On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:27:13 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: 1- install wheezy, all is ok, I boot and boot again. I change it to jessie (following standard instructions) This may not help at all because things may have changed in the

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 18:37:04 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > >On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 16:52:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > >>Brian wrote: > >>>On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >>> > >Do you have a citation for this? > I'm glad you asked. >

Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Charlie
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 23:27:13 +0100 Pierre Couderc sent: > 1- install wheezy, all is ok, I boot and boot again. I change it to > jessie (following standard instructions) This may not help at all because things may have changed in the last couple of months, but I'll give it a larrup. I don't kno

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 16:52:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I "presumed" that amongst the "lots" of experts so opposed to the late-command option,

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Dec 2014 at 16:52:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > >On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > >>>Do you have a citation for this? > >>I'm glad you asked. > >>No - I "presumed" that amongst the "lots" of experts so opposed to the > >>late-command op

Getting a custom package into a new system early in the install process

2014-12-02 Thread Ross Boylan
I have a customized package, adduser, that I want to get into new VM's early in the wheezy installation process. In particular, it must happen before installing the "debian basic system tools" (DBST hereafter) recommended when the installer gets to task selection. The modified adduser tweaks the

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:47:38PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > Another way to look at it is "forward planning for the release after Jessie, > when systemd may well become compulsory..." Most would call that FUD. -- . o . o . o . . o o . . . o . . . o . o o o . o . o o . . o o

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 > > Aaron Toponce wrote: > > > It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about > > > systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me > > > this way. > > >

Re: Stale file in Debian after change of equivs package

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Don Armstrong wrote: > mad wrote: > > I am using equivs to create simple packages with dependencies and a few > > files. > > > > Now I removed one file from the equivs package and installed the > > resulting deb file. The deb file does not contain the file but dpkg did > > not remove the old file

boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Pierre Couderc
Hello I have a problem with jessie : my Acer Travelmate (P253) refuses to boot. I have used 2 methods : 1- install wheezy, all is ok, I boot and boot again. I change it to jessie (following standard instructions) : I can boot no more 2- I have used net installer debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-neti

Re: bind9 needs sometimes a restart after resume from suspend

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: > I wonder... What exactly does "bind not responding" mean? any command > that reproduces that would be handy. > > As this is happening in relation to suspend/resume, this would imply > that network interfaces go down and up too. So perhaps bind is failing > to detect the r

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Do you have a citation for this? I'm glad you asked. No - I "presumed" that amongst the "lots" of experts so opposed to the late-command option, at least one of them would apply Kenshi's patch (which apparently works) to

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Ron
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 Aaron Toponce wrote: > > It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about > > systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me > > this way. > # apt-get install upstart > # apt-get install sysvinit-core > # apt-get insta

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote: > It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about > systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me > this way. # apt-get install upstart # apt-get install sysvinit-core # apt-get install openrc No

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Märk Owen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:47:19 +0100 maderios wrote: > Hi guys > Not for me but interesting. > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MDQ It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about systemd as I'm only an end user

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2014 02:34 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: Debian has kindled a big fire with this systemd crap. It’s time to jump ship before you only have ashes. Shade and sweet water! Stephan yes! Yes! RUNAWAY!! :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Brian
On Wed 03 Dec 2014 at 02:27:26 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > Do you have a citation for this? > > I'm glad you asked. > No - I "presumed" that amongst the "lots" of experts so opposed to the > late-command option, at least one of them would apply Kenshi's patch > (which apparently works) to d-

Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2014 04:47 AM, maderios wrote: Hi guys Not for me but interesting. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MDQ "# More about the vision This is just a start, as bold as it sounds to call it fork, at a process that will unfold in time and involve more people, first to im

Re: Stale file in Debian after change of equivs package

2014-12-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, mad wrote: > I am using equivs to create simple packages with dependencies and a few > files. > > Now I removed one file from the equivs package and installed the > resulting deb file. The deb file does not contain the file but dpkg did > not remove the old file and says that

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-12-02 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
On 02/12/2014 20:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [cut] Also, what is EBR (or EPBR, which seems to be some sort of enhanced whatever may be a EBR)? Extended Boot Record on DOS disks ? Where information about extended partition is stored. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_r

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.11.2014 22:26, Scott Ferguson a écrit : On 21/11/14 06:45, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Scott Ferguson a écrit : Might be worth fscking the disk first in case that's where the problem lies. Why ? fsck works on filesystems, not disks or partition tables. Good question - because I didn't sp

Re: XDG Standard is not evil (was: Re: Why focus on systemd?)

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 27.11.2014 03:04, Serge a écrit : Later some people started to abuse those directories and put there files, that never supposed to be there. Those people don't really think about standards or unification. Usually they just enable displaying hidden files in their file manager, see a lot of do

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 3 December 2014 at 01:36, The Wanderer wrote: > On 12/02/2014 at 07:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: > Depends on what 'you' call "*default*". It implies a choice - as opposed to

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 3 December 2014 at 01:18, Joel Rees wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek wrote: >>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Mon, 01 Dec 201

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 23:53, Joel Rees wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: >> Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, >> Patrick Bartek a écrit : >> >>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> >>> > On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek >>> > wrote: >>> >

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/02/2014 at 07:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek > wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> Depends on what 'you' call "*default*". It implies a choice - as >>> opposed to "*mandatory*". >> >> You do have a choice, but ONLY after

Re: Creating a peculiar Live-CD

2014-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 30 November 2014 at 02:30, Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 29 November 2014 at 08:17, Richard Owlett wrote: Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 11/28/14, Richard Owlett wrote: I've just proved ( again ;/ ) that my writing lacks clarity. It's h

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> >>> On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek >>> wrote: >>> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: >>> > >>> >> On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM,

Re: XDG Standard is not evil (was: Re: Why focus on systemd?)

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.11.2014 15:32, Rusi Mody a écrit : However there are some issues: if the software-versions in these dont match up then its precisely these XDG files that tread on each others' toes across OSes. Well... if configuration files are not both upward and downward compatible between different

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread berenger . morel
Le 02.12.2014 08:05, Patrick Bartek a écrit : >> > and more and more >> > developers will start writing apps with systemd, or parts of it, >> > as a dependency for the "features" it offers. It's their choice - likewise it's your choice *not* to write alternatives. It 'sounds' like you're pr

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, > Patrick Bartek a écrit : > >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> >> > On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek >> > wrote: >> > > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: >> > > >> > >> On

Re: bind9 needs sometimes a restart after resume from suspend

2014-12-02 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 03:26:29PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > On Sunday 30 November 2014 11:59:16 Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: > > Hi > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:26:36PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > Hi Pascal, > > > > > > On Sunday 30 November 2014 11:15:41 Pascal Hambourg wrote: >

Re: Creating a peculiar Live-CD

2014-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 29 nov 14, 16:46:01, Richard Owlett wrote: Application 2: Extremely secure browsing and email for me on my personal machine. https://tails.boum.org/ I wasn't thinking in terms of personal privacy, but what I think of as "system security". My *personal idiosy

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: >> > >> >> On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >> >> [snip] >> >> > > > as the default

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-12-02 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 02/12/14 00:52, lee wrote: > Whatever ... You should have snipped your own posts to begin with. > > Anyway, you didn't contribute anthing to what the OP said, and I don't > find this part of the discussion worthwhile at all. > Then why are you persisting with it? -- Tony van der Hoff |

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: > > > > > >> On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > >> > > [snip] > > > >

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Stephen Allen
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:49:15AM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:45:12 -0500, > Miles Fidelman a écrit : > > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > >> I fear that once systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian as the > > >> defaul

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:45:12 -0500, Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Ric Moore wrote: > > On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > >> I fear that once systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian as the > >> default init more distros will follow suit, and more and more > >> developers will start w

Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

2014-12-02 Thread maderios
Hi guys Not for me but interesting. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MDQ -- Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547d8aa7.

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 02 December 2014 07:05:09 Patrick Bartek wrote: > User's do contrain.  They even dictate.  Always have.  Developers > should, if they are samrt, be developing what customers want or need. > Not the other way around. That's the formula for going out of business. > Listening to your custom

Stale file in Debian after change of equivs package

2014-12-02 Thread mad
Hi! I am using equivs to create simple packages with dependencies and a few files. Now I removed one file from the equivs package and installed the resulting deb file. The deb file does not contain the file but dpkg did not remove the old file and says that the file belongs to the package. What