Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Latincom
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 08:32:27 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:01:45AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Eh? You *do* have a choice of which init system to run; many people >> running Debian are still using sysvinit, myself included. The system >> handles this just fine; if you f

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread deloptes
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > Are you sure?  On my system, this produces nothing at all.  But the > directory > exists and is populated. It works great in jessie $ systemd --version systemd 215 +PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ -SECCOMP -APPARMOR

Re: Thin Client

2017-04-03 Thread Brian
On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 17:53:32 +, Curt wrote: > On 2017-04-03, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP > >>

Re: Thin Client

2017-04-03 Thread Curt
On 2017-04-03, Brian wrote: > On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: >> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP >> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It act

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote: > The documentation for ALL the init systems has already been written > and is fairly comprehensive. Maintenance on the various inits, except > systemd, of course -- its implementation is still very new -- seems > minimal. So, all that can't be the reason.

Re: glade-gtk3?

2017-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 03 April 2017 13:15:04 songbird wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings; > > > > My last question seemed to have been routed to /dev/null. > > i went and found it. probably wrong mailing list to > be asking such questions (gtk/gtk3 developers lists > seem more appropriate). > Proba

Re: glade-gtk3?

2017-04-03 Thread songbird
Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > My last question seemed to have been routed to /dev/null. i went and found it. probably wrong mailing list to be asking such questions (gtk/gtk3 developers lists seem more appropriate). > Is there a time in the foreseeable future the complete glade-gtk2 ve

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:36:16AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good > cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process. I like the "systemd vs. sysvinit" cheatsheet at http://linoxide.com/linux-command/systemd-vs-sysvinit-ch

Re: Matrox G550 mga driver hangs system

2017-04-03 Thread Tony Stoneley
Felix Miata wrote on Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:17:09 -0400 >...So, a bug filing is apparently needed. I'd like you to file it OK, with great trepidation I've sent a report to the Debian Bug Tracking System, and received automatic acknowledgement of it as Bug#859423. Those interested should follow pr

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Joshua Schaeffer
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> To see a list of your available targets (assuming no major local changes), >> use this command: >> >> $ find /lib/systemd/ -name '*.target' >> >> > Are you sure? On my system, this produces nothing at all. But the > directory > exists

Re: Systemd services

2017-04-03 Thread Teemu Likonen
Greg Wooledge [2017-04-03 11:39:42-04] wrote: > To see a list of your available targets (assuming no major local > changes), use this command: > > $ find /lib/systemd/ -name '*.target' Often these are useful too: systemctl -t target list-units systemctl -t target list-unit-files -- ///

Re: Encrypted flash drives

2017-04-03 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 4/3/17, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > Any way to reset udev? (in a way that doesn't nuke the system and > require a reboot anyway) > > I'm still trying to find a way to make that ghost disk disappear. I am > fairly sure a reboot will sort it but solving the problem without > understanding it is some

Re: Thin Client

2017-04-03 Thread Brian
On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP > > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as > > a print server. Do you wan

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:36:16AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > > But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good > > cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process. > > The first hurdle is learning the termino

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 20:08:04 -0400 Catherine Gramze wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 1, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Patrick Bartek > > wrote: > > > > Never came across those during my research before posting my initial > > query here. And I read a lot of articles. Still have found nothing

Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:36:16AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good > cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process. The first hurdle is learning the terminology that systemd uses. It's not exactly intuitive. Systemd ha

Re: ipv6 apt issue

2017-04-03 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > > apt uses SRV records: > > $ dig +short -t SRV _http._tcp.ftp.us.debian.org > 0 2 80 ftp-nyc.osuosl.org. > 0 1 80 debian.gtisc.gatech.edu. > 0 1 80 ftp-chi.osuosl.org. > > That's where you're getting the host name ftp-chi.osuosl.org from. > T

glade-gtk3?

2017-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; My last question seemed to have been routed to /dev/null. Is there a time in the foreseeable future the complete glade-gtk2 version 3.8.0 kit of gfx widgits might be updated to gtk3 compatibility? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap,

apt update problem when it works with local apt-mirror repository

2017-04-03 Thread Сергей Терехов
My internet provider blocks e-mails sending to smtp server so sending a letter via the web. It is seemed to 813786 resolved bug you can see: From: Julian Andres Klode To: 813786-cl...@bugs.debian.org Subject: Bug#813786: fixed in apt 1.4~beta3 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 21:03:45 + But now problem

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Tom Browder
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 05:06:22 -0700 > Rick Thomas wrote: > > Hello Rick, > >> There *are* choices. > > Indeed. Debian also have choices(1). They made them. Inevitably, some > people were going to get annoyed about it. > > (1) Many seem to have

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 03:49:09PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Carl Fink wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:01:45AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > >> Eh? You *do* have a choice of which init system to run; many people > >> running Debian are still

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 April 2017 13:55:44 Michael Fothergill wrote: > I think choice in food is important - e.g. flavours of spam: > > Closed Source: > > Regular Spam Hot & Spicy Spam Jalapeño Spam Spam with Black Pepper Low [snip etc. ] > Open Source > > Systemd Spam > Openrc Spam > > etc Not all discussi

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Sven Hartge
Carl Fink wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:01:45AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >> Eh? You *do* have a choice of which init system to run; many people >> running Debian are still using sysvinit, myself included. The system >> handles this just fine; if you file a bug report via e.g. reportbug, >

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
I think choice in food is important - e.g. flavours of spam: Closed Source: Regular Spam Hot & Spicy Spam Jalapeño Spam Spam with Black Pepper Low Sodium Spam Low Fat Spam Roast Turkey Spam Hickory Smoked Spam Spam Spread Bacon Spam Cheese Spam Garlic Spam Teriyaki Spam Chorizo Spam Macadamia Nut

Re: Encrypted flash drives

2017-04-03 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:01:59PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:32:33PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:58:51PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:02:27AM +0200, to...@

Re: Captive network account (w/ login redirect) and HSTS

2017-04-03 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 06:36:25PM +0200, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: Hello, with a basic Debian jessie install and a recent Firefox, I observe the following: [1] Debian has no specific support for detecting captive networks (e.g. Android, iOS) and redirecting automatically the browser to

Re: Recording needed data from mate-search-tool - possible?

2017-04-03 Thread songbird
Richard Owlett wrote: >songbird wrote: ... >> use find. sometimes trying to make a square peg >> fit in a round hole isn't worth it. >> > > The annoying facet of the problem is that > "Applications->Accessories->Search for files" retrieves exactly the data > I want and can sort it so that it v

Chaos of confusion RESOLVED - was [Re: When specifying path to file - confused about ./ and ~/]

2017-04-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/27/2017 06:14 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Please avoid trying to briefly explain. Please refer me to a good web page. I *KNOW* I'm missing something fundamental. ... On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:25:30PM +1100, David wrote: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/unix1.html http://www.ee.

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:01:45AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > Eh? You *do* have a choice of which init system to run; many people > running Debian are still using sysvinit, myself included. The system > handles this just fine; if you file a bug report via e.g. reportbug, it > will automatically

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 05:06:22 -0700 Rick Thomas wrote: Hello Rick, > There *are* choices. Indeed. Debian also have choices(1). They made them. Inevitably, some people were going to get annoyed about it. (1) Many seem to have forgotten they're entitled to make choices as well. -- Regards _

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 04:38:06AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > Would you be willing to share the steps you use to change to sysvinit on > a newly installed machine? https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_D

Re: Issue with notebook (maybe the battery?)

2017-04-03 Thread cbannister
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:07:46PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 04:46:37AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 03/25/2017 05:29 PM, Daniel Bareiro wrote: > > >Hi, Joe. > > > > > >[snip] > > > > > >Checking the purchase invoices, I bought the notebook on September 19, > >

Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

2017-04-03 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 06:04:16PM +0200, Gregor Zattler wrote: > Hi Gregor, > > one more detail about the configuration of said system (see below/between): > > Any ideas how to proceed? > > Ciao; Gregor > > There's another thread recently (during March, I think) on this mailing list about t

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Rick Thomas
On 3/13/2017 12:40 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:30:11PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why at install time, is there no choice for the init system? You get what the developers decide. Yes, you can install a

Re: Encrypted flash drives

2017-04-03 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:32:33PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:58:51PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:02:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 08:31:45AM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > >

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-04-03 at 07:38, Rick Thomas wrote: > On 4/3/2017 4:01 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Eh? You *do* have a choice of which init system to run; many >> people running Debian are still using sysvinit, myself included. >> The system handles this just fine; if you file a bug report via >> e.g. re

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread Rick Thomas
On 4/3/2017 4:01 AM, The Wanderer wrote: Eh? You *do* have a choice of which init system to run; many people running Debian are still using sysvinit, myself included. The system handles this just fine; if you file a bug report via e.g. reportbug, it will automatically detect which init system y

Re: Thin Client

2017-04-03 Thread Linux-Fan
David writes: On Sun, 2017-03-26 at 12:23 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: [...] > I don't see why you wouldn't use another Raspberry for this, > given their reasonable power draw and the fact that you already > have experience with them. > > -dsr- Dan, that's perfectly true, but Raspbian and the P

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-04-01 at 20:08, Catherine Gramze wrote: >> On Apr 1, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Patrick Bartek >> wrote: >> >> Never came across those during my research before posting my >> initial query here. And I read a lot of articles. Still have >> found nothing stating exactly why Linux distros don't of

Re: Captive network account (w/ login redirect) and HSTS

2017-04-03 Thread Marc SCHAEFER
On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 03:20:56PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > IIRC I have in the past typed ip route show > and then pasted the IP of the default route into the browser. > Am I remembering correctly, and would that IP address obey > your conditions outlined earlier? That would work too, even i

Re: Thin Client

2017-04-03 Thread cbannister
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do > not support Linux on the ARM architect

Re: Captive network account (w/ login redirect) and HSTS

2017-04-03 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 09:20:30PM +0200, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: [...] > I did not find any, so I created: > >https://wiki.debian.org/CaptivePortal \o/ Thanks! - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFA