Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 15:16 (UTC): Felix Miata composed: IOW, it is suggested that iomem=relaxed may need to be included on kernel cmdline for the old user-space xserver-xorg-video-savage driver to work with your gfxchip in Stretch. Thank you for the help in answering the

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 April 2017 22:39:50 Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 4/9/17 4:15 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > After much reading, I consider systemd more suited to large, busy > > servers than a desktop box or notebook with just one user. It's > > like being forced to use a huge tractor-trailer rig with

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 4/9/17 4:15 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After much reading, I consider systemd more suited to large, busy servers than a desktop box or notebook with just one user. It's like being forced to use a huge tractor-trailer rig with lots of chrome and lights and 24 gears when a simple mini-van will

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 16:25:57 +0100 Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 7 April 2017 at 19:27, David Niklas wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:30:11 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > The Linux mantra has always been "choice,"

nosh version 1.33

2017-04-09 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The nosh package is now up to version 1.33 . * http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/ * https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2015-07-2015-09.html#The-nosh-Project * http://jdebp.info./Softwares/nosh/ This has been held back because of work being done by someone else. I don't want to steal xyr

Re: Installer: problem installing onto LVM on RAID1

2017-04-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 April 2017 18:43:32 Ron Leach wrote: > While trying to install Debian 7.11 Why are you installing Wheezy? Lisi

Re: Copying file has unexpected side effect

2017-04-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: >On 04/09/2017 10:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> My solution was to place this files on a separate partition of the hdd. >> It will be mounted at boot. The fstab entry is currently >> UUID=E90C-65B4 /media/common vfat auto,exec,rw,flush,umask=000 0 0 >> >> The

Re: Installer: problem installing onto LVM on RAID1

2017-04-09 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 04/09/2017 08:43 PM, Ron Leach wrote: > List, good evening, > > I am trying to install Debian onto an LVM, and I want the LVM to use a > pair of disks in a RAID1 configuration. I'm having difficulty > instructing the partitioner to do this. > > I have a new, empty, machine with 2 x 3TB

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:20 PM, wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 08:20:16AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > > [...] > >> There is no plus to a restricted declaration syntax except the walls >> between the controlling service and the

Re: Installer: problem installing onto LVM on RAID1

2017-04-09 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Ron, On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 06:43:32PM +0100, Ron Leach wrote: > What partitions - I think I mean logical volumes - might I be best > using for my installation, keeping in mind that I will need to extend > whatever logical volume houses the 'users-files'? I think you are making a conceptual

Installer: problem installing onto LVM on RAID1

2017-04-09 Thread Ron Leach
List, good evening, I am trying to install Debian onto an LVM, and I want the LVM to use a pair of disks in a RAID1 configuration. I'm having difficulty instructing the partitioner to do this. I have a new, empty, machine with 2 x 3TB disks. This new machine is intended to replace our

Re: if you have no swap in your installation this is what you do??? Why???

2017-04-09 Thread Sven Hartge
Darac Marjal wrote: > A swap partition is not subject to the controls of a file system. That > is, it can't get fragmented, it can be positioned at the fast (or slow) > end of a disk, it can be (as you suggest) placed on a completely > separate device. It can be shared

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Sorry, I made a mistake earlier and replied on the wrong thread (Re: [Stretch, 9.0] Installation failed to install net-tools (from scratch installation)), here is the output again listed for reference, although the riddle seems to be solved by Felix on this same thread. Output at the bottom

Re: if you have no swap in your installation this is what you do??? Why???

2017-04-09 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 02:58:00PM +, GiaThnYgeia wrote: > 1 What is the difference functionally of having a swap partition from > having a swap file? Is it that you can use a separate physical disk > that will take the wear and tear of swaping? As long as the filesystem can support

Re: if you have no swap in your installation this is what you do??? Why???

2017-04-09 Thread Darac Marjal
On 09/04/17 15:58, GiaThnYgeia wrote: > A while ago while Thomas Schmitt was helping me with dd and xorriso in > backing up systems and partitions into usb and back the issue of not > having a swap partition in my system came up, since I chose not to > during the installation, and how to create

Re: Copying file has unexpected side effect

2017-04-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/09/2017 10:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a laptop with multiple installs of Debian Jessie using MATE desktop. There are minor differences of package complements - the purpose being to determine an optimal configuration. There are a relatively small number of files which I would like

Copying file has unexpected side effect

2017-04-09 Thread Richard Owlett
I have a laptop with multiple installs of Debian Jessie using MATE desktop. There are minor differences of package complements - the purpose being to determine an optimal configuration. There are a relatively small number of files which I would like to have the latest version available no

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 7 April 2017 at 19:27, David Niklas wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:30:11 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why > > at install time, is there no choice for the init system? You get what

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Felix Miata: > IOW, it is suggested that iomem=relaxed may need to be included on > kernel cmdline for the old user-space xserver-xorg-video-savage driver > to work with your gfxchip in Stretch. Thank you for the help in answering the puzzle, but how is a semi-i-literate person able to translate

if you have no swap in your installation this is what you do??? Why???

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
A while ago while Thomas Schmitt was helping me with dd and xorriso in backing up systems and partitions into usb and back the issue of not having a swap partition in my system came up, since I chose not to during the installation, and how to create one, lead me into a search of doing just that.

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 13:45 (UTC): Felix Miata: GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 10:22 (UTC): See attached file for complete lshw of the failed stretch upgrade You need to do it again but without lshw outputting in xml format. With no switches lshw outputs in plain text,

Re: info

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
domenico cop: > hi. I am a consumer microsoft from little past to linux. You must be translating italian to english with googletranslate which explains why you make little sense. So you have been an MSwindows user and have only recently switched to linux, hopefully to debian. > but how much

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread Felix Miata
GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-09 10:22 (UTC): See attached file for complete lshw of the failed stretch upgrade You need to do it again but without lshw outputting in xml format. With no switches lshw outputs in plain text, exactly the right format for an email attachment. However:

Re: info

2017-04-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 09 April 2017 12:14:16 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/08/2017 05:21 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 08 April 2017 23:12:15 darkestkhan wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:58 PM, domenico cop wrote: > >>> hi. I am a consumer microsoft from little past to linux.

Re: info

2017-04-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/08/2017 05:21 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 08 April 2017 23:12:15 darkestkhan wrote: On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:58 PM, domenico cop wrote: hi. I am a consumer microsoft from little past to linux. but how much confusion that us. thousand distributions thousand

Re: [Stretch, 9.0] Installation failed to install net-tools (from scratch installation)

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
I thought that I had never seen an attachment on the list before but I was not sure. So here is the lazy output. (Power Management bus mastering PCI capabilities listing VGA compatible controller VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] [5333:8D04] S3 Graphics Ltd. [5333] 0 pci@:01:00.0 00 32 6600

Re: [Stretch, 9.0] Installation failed to install net-tools (from scratch installation)

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
I had a very weird experience yesterday on a machine with Stretch using firmware from misc-firmware to run a USB wifi stick. This worked before and it was shutdown functional and rebooted a few days later. I first noticed that in trying to find a network connection during boot it took a long

Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok on Jessie

2017-04-09 Thread GiaThnYgeia
See attached file for complete lshw of the failed stretch upgrade Felix Miata: > GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-04 18:22 (UTC): > >> Felix Miata: > >>> GiaThnYgeia composed on 2017-04-04 13:51 (UTC): >>> ... Still, if Debian8 runs why does Debian9 fail? Simple upgrade from 8 to > 9,

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 08:20:16AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: [...] > There is no plus to a restricted declaration syntax except the walls > between the controlling service and the controlled services. In other > words, the minus of separation is the

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-09 Thread Joe
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 08:20:16 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:15 PM, wrote: > > [...] > > What systemd brings (mainly[1]) to the table is the decoupling of > > different "parts" of init: just imagine you have one service (let's > > say a