Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

"Thomas Schmitt" writes: > This is a READ(10) attempt, which a system with a clue should not try > on tracks with CONTROL value 0. > I get a more standards compliant Sense Code from my ASUS BW-16D1HT burner > than Martin McCormick got from his SONY CRX140E, which seems to be quite > aged (CD only,

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Richard Hector wrote: > On 30/01/18 03:35, Boyan Penkov wrote: >> Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application >> restarts on library updates, or only for daemons? > > apt-get install debian-goodies, actually. Yes, I think so. But for > j

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

On 30/01/18 03:35, Boyan Penkov wrote: > Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application > restarts on library updates, or only for daemons? apt-get install debian-goodies, actually. Yes, I think so. But for jessie onwards, I find needrestart (package: needrestart) much nic

Debian Stretch SELinux enforcing causes systemd --user unit to fail

Good day, I would like to report a bug, but I am not sure which package to report it against. I have SELinux enabled and enforcing on Debian Stretch (commandline via SSH only, no GUI is installed at all). I am trying to start a systemd --user unit (which I know is correct, because it works wit

journal swamped with gdm3-x-session messages

I rebooted stretch and now my journald is being swamped with the following message: /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[2684]: Promise rejected after context unloaded: Message manager disconnected A new message appears every few seconds. What is causing this? What have I done wrong? Any hint would

Re: Installing Debian on Chuwi Hi12 Tablet

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:08:46 -0500 Chris Dunn wrote: > I'm contemplating installing Debian on my beloved Chuwi Hi12 tablet. > The machine is cheap (circa $300) and while there are certain bits of > the hardware that do not (yet) work under Linux there is nothing that > troubles me, and the graphi

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:33:27 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Michael Lange wrote: > > > I believe that deloptes' rather harsh comment referred to your > > suggestion that the OP should upgrade to Sid rather than to anything > > else you wrote. > > yes indeed - thats true > > in fact you can setup sid

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:29:19 +0100 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > Michael Lange wrote: > > compiler that is "retpoline-aware" (as the > > "checker"-script calls it, whatever that means) > > The term was coined by Google engineers > > https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/7625886 > "The

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Michael Lange wrote: > I believe that deloptes' rather harsh comment referred to your > suggestion that the OP should upgrade to Sid rather than to anything else > you wrote. yes indeed - thats true in fact you can setup sid with debootstrap, chroot to it, build your kernel there and install on

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Hi, Michael Lange wrote: > compiler that is "retpoline-aware" (as the > "checker"-script calls it, whatever that means) The term was coined by Google engineers https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/7625886 "The name “retpoline” is a portmanteau of “return” and “trampoline.” It is a tramp

Installing Debian on Chuwi Hi12 Tablet

I'm contemplating installing Debian on my beloved Chuwi Hi12 tablet. The machine is cheap (circa $300) and while there are certain bits of the hardware that do not (yet) work under Linux there is nothing that troubles me, and the graphics are superb - 2160x1440 on a 12" screen. At present it is du

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, January 29, 2018 03:35:58 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > > On 29 January 2018 at 07:52, Dextin Jerafmel > > wrote: > > > I tried to search for available Kernel images but there isn't any > > > newer Kernel than 4.9.0.5 > >

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:49:19 + Michael Fothergill wrote: > > ​That is pretty much what I had been led to believe already except > for the part where you suggest that a kernel compiled in Sid could > apparently > be used in stable. Again, if that would be true I should have > mentioned it to

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:47:57 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Again, checking / confirming my understanding, if you download a kernel > image (which is normal for me), there is no need for me to have any > version of GCC as the image is pre-compiled. Sure. > > On the other hand, if I download

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Carl Fink wrote: > Be fair: you also don't need Spectre or Meldtdown to compromise > Linux-based computers.  Somethings as simple as going a week between > installing security upgrades can do it. well - at least that's not so easy as windows or android with compromised security in mind

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Greg Wooledge wrote: > Hardware was also becoming more powerful, as one would expect.  More RAM > meant less pressure to produce minimalist kernel images. > > All of these things put together meant that for most users, Debian's > kernel images were good enough that they didn't feel a need to buil

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:47:57AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Again, checking / confirming my understanding, if you download a kernel image > (which is normal for me), there is no need for me to have any version of GCC > as the image is pre-compiled. > > On the other hand, if I download

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 13:43:20 (+), Joe wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assume that > > most of those don't take effect until I restart the application. For > > instance, a Firefox up

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

Hi, deloptes wrote: > it is really a pity - as those things are just bits Actually its pits and lands. The bits emerge only after detecting pit-land changes, converting 14 nearly-bits to 8 quite-really-bits and then decoding them from Reed- Solomon representation to even fewer payload bits. Ha

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (side question)

Sorry for the hijack, but has this also to do with this newly enabled default kernel options? grep STACKPROTECTOR /boot/config-3.16.0-5-amd64 CONFIG_HAVE_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y # CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE is not set CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR=y # CONFIG_CC_STACK

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Monday, January 29, 2018 09:06:13 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 29 January 2018 at 13:35, Michael Fothergill < > > michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> what has gcc7 to do with the patches is unclear to me, but I admit I > >> have never worried about. > > > > ​I thought you had to hav

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 09:17:14 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/29/2018 08:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > >>On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

On 01/29/2018 08:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] I've seen comments such as that before. But I've not seen a

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > > I've seen comments such as that before. > > But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use i

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 02:28:06PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > My conclusion to this Spectre and Meltdown hysteria is, that a single > machine in a secure environment is not exactly endangered. > People should better take care of their mobile devices, especially phones > and tablets, where you need n

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/29/2018 08:15 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > > The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the > > KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels. > > > > I've seen comments such as that

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application restarts on library updates, or only for daemons? On Jan 29, 2018 08:43, "Joe" wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assum

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

On 01/29/2018 08:15 AM, Andy Smith wrote: [snip] The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels. I've seen comments such as that before. But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 13:35, Michael Fothergill < michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 29 January 2018 at 13:28, deloptes wrote: > >> Michael Fothergill wrote: >> >> > I accept that are some kernels that you could run in stable apparently >> > that address the security issue etc. >> > I

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

Hi, On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > iiuc, the fixes for Spectre and Meltdown have been "backported" > (probably not the right word) to Wheezy (which is my "everyday" > machine). If I'm wrong about that, somebody can let me know. The confusion here is that "S

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

Charlie Gibbs writes: > On 28/01/18 01:04 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > > Martin McCormick wrote: > > > cdparanoia [...] plays but you lose the individual track > boundaries as > you see in the listing above. > > > I guess you'd need to read the tracks one by one, li

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 13:28, deloptes wrote: > Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > I accept that are some kernels that you could run in stable apparently > > that address the security issue etc. > > I apologise for inaccuracy there. > > But perhaps not all of what I posted is BS. > > You can run any

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 13:26, wrote: > On Monday, January 29, 2018 06:22:50 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > > ​I accept that are some kernels that you could run in stable apparently > > that address the security issue etc. > ​Do they work on spectre as well as meltdown? Sorry for not replying on t

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assume that most of > those don't take effect until I restart the application. For instance, a > Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown Firefox and rest

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assume that > most of those don't take effect until I restart the application. For > instance, a Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown > Firefox and restart i

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Good luck reading audio track data from CD-ROMs with dd. Or subcode > information. Tip: you can't. :D you are correct - it is really a pity - as those things are just bits

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Michael Fothergill wrote: > I accept that are some kernels that you could run in stable apparently > that address the security issue etc. > I apologise for inaccuracy there. > But perhaps not all of what I posted is BS. You can run any kernel in stable I just build 4.14 make oldconfig make -j4

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Monday, January 29, 2018 06:22:50 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > ​I accept that are some kernels that you could run in stable apparently > that address the security issue etc. I'd go a step further--it's not some (random) kernels that you could run, but it is the updated kernels (now, and unle

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

On Monday, January 29, 2018 04:51:33 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 01:27:08AM +0100, deloptes wrote: > >in any case no one can take the power of dd away :D > > Good luck reading audio track data from CD-ROMs with dd. Or subcode > information. Tip: you can't. I guess I'll ad

comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

On Monday, January 29, 2018 03:35:58 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 29 January 2018 at 07:52, Dextin Jerafmel wrote: > > I tried to search for available Kernel images but there isn't any newer > > Kernel than 4.9.0.5 > ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get the >

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 10:17, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:35:58 + > Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get > > the latest kernel from the kernel.org website. > > You also need to install GCC7 in sid which

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:20:17PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: So I should have mentioned it to them.  But, to be fair the OP specifically mentioned that they were interested in fixes to the meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities ie both problems not just one of them. Well, to be fair, it wo

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 10:17, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:35:58 + > Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get > > the latest kernel from the kernel.org website. > > You also need to install GCC7 in sid which

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

> > sudo install spectre-meltdown-checker > > sudo spectre-meltdown-checker > > > > works at least in stretch. > > Seems like stretch-backports must be enabled for that, though. You are right. I forgot to check.

Re: How to rebuild a Debian package for a foreign architecture?

On 2018-01-26 09:47:58 +, Curt wrote: > On 2018-01-25, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2018-01-25 14:53:14 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2018-01-25, wrote: > >> > > >> > It seems that you are missing the '386 (or more precisely the '686) > >> > executables. Perhaps you need the package dpkg-cross

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 10:10, deloptes wrote: > Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get the > > latest kernel from the kernel.org website. > > worst BS ever seen - DON'T LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE > > Michael, please stop writing such things

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

Hi, i wrote: > > They saw a CD and tried UDF. Cluelessly and in vain. Jonathan Dowland wrote: > They did that because of the fstab line which specified udf, and the > presence of a data track on the CD. The "problem CD" is pure audio. No indication on Table-Of-Content level that there would be s

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:48:27 +0100 arne wrote: > sudo install spectre-meltdown-checker > sudo spectre-meltdown-checker > > works at least in stretch. Seems like stretch-backports must be enabled for that, though. Regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ..

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Hi, On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:35:58 + Michael Fothergill wrote: > ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get > the latest kernel from the kernel.org website. > You also need to install GCC7 in sid which will give you version 7.3.0 > at present. That is a new enough c

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Michael Fothergill wrote: > Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid).  Then you need to get the > latest kernel from the kernel.org website. worst BS ever seen - DON'T LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE Michael, please stop writing such things in public regards

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 10:04:22AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Martin McCormick wrote: I thought it was udf because one of the two systems I tried it on spewed out a reference to udffs They saw a CD and tried UDF. Cluelessly and in vain. They did that because of the fstab line which speci

Re: Playing or Ripping UDF CDs Under jessie

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 01:27:08AM +0100, deloptes wrote: in any case no one can take the power of dd away :D Good luck reading audio track data from CD-ROMs with dd. Or subcode information. Tip: you can't. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC

Re: Stretch stuck on boot

Thank you for the advice, tv.deb...@googlemail.com writes: > On 28/01/2018 20:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 02:04:54PM +, Daniel Nemenyi wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> My laptop has for the second time got stuck on

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:35:58 + Michael Fothergill wrote: > > ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get > the latest kernel from the kernel.org website. > You also need to install GCC7 in sid which will give you version > 7.3.0 at present. That is a new enough co

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:35:58AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: ​Your need to upgrade to unstable (Debian Sid). Then you need to get the latest kernel from the kernel.org website. This is not good advice to a beginner. You also need to install GCC7 in sid which will give you version 7.3.

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

Le lundi 29 janvier 2018 à 07:52 +, Dextin Jerafmel a écrit : > Hello > > I've installed Debian 9.3 about one and a half month ago . I'm newbie > to Linux world > My Kernel was 4.9.0.3 at the first of installation . After upgrading > ( sudo apt upgrade ) it becomes 4.9.0.4 > But in Your site Y

win32-loader

Can it be used to install Debian from a 64-bit Windows running on a 64-bit CPU? I failed to do it on a machine with i7-8550 CPU running Windows 10. It complained about file g2ldr.mbr, with status 0xc07b. There is also this mail https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo ... bug=824648

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

On 29 January 2018 at 07:52, Dextin Jerafmel wrote: > Hello > > I've installed Debian 9.3 about one and a half month ago . I'm newbie to > Linux world > My Kernel was 4.9.0.3 at the first of installation . After upgrading ( > sudo apt upgrade ) it becomes 4.9.0.4 > But in Your site You've mention