On 30.03.19 01:29, deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>
> > I'm not trying to persuade anyone to use Emacs. I am trying to convince
> > people not to be deterred from trying it because of myths such as "You
> > can't use Emacs if you can't program in Lisp".
>
> Sorry John, but all of this is o
Hello,
Unless I am mistaken, Buster is still in development/testing?
If thats the case, I would expect behavior exactly like that.
As to troubleshooting it? My guess is you would have to be a talented program,
to debug, and code your own modules.
On March 30, 2019 12:56:12 AM GMT+01:00, Sam Sm
On Sat 30 Mar 2019 at 01:29:48 (+0100), deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>
> > I'm not trying to persuade anyone to use Emacs. I am trying to convince
> > people not to be deterred from trying it because of myths such as "You
> > can't use Emacs if you can't program in Lisp".
>
> Sorry John,
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 09:20:17PM -0500, Jason wrote:
> I am trying to set up an NFS export on a Ras Pi (Raspbian Jessie).
> Something seems to be missing and I need help troubleshooting it.
>
> At first the NFS port 2049 was not even being opened. After much futzing
> around I discovered that
I am trying to set up an NFS export on a Ras Pi (Raspbian Jessie).
Something seems to be missing and I need help troubleshooting it.
At first the NFS port 2049 was not even being opened. After much futzing
around I discovered that if I manually start rpcbind with
$ sudo /etc/init.d/rpcbind star
I started working for the Navy at an installation in Warminster PA. The
experience with emacs David describes certainly happened on the base where
I worked. The secretaries weren't told what they were doing was
programming so they developed and shared their own macros and as a result
of that, ema
I wrote:
> I am trying to convince people not to be deterred from trying it
> because of myths such as "You can't use Emacs if you can't program in
> Lisp".
Bob Bernstein writes:
> That last claim is really, really far from the truth. I know one of
> the old LISP programmers from the Kendall Squar
On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, John Hasler wrote:
I am trying to convince people not to be deterred from
trying it because of myths such as "You can't use Emacs
if you can't program in Lisp".
That last claim is really, really far from the truth. I
know one of the old LISP programmers from the Kendall
On Fri 29 Mar 2019 at 19:22:47 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 29 March 2019 19:08:20 deloptes wrote:
> > John Hasler wrote:
> > > deloptes writes:
> > >> I've been listening at this BS at the university as well. Until now
> > >> I have not seen any practical or pragmatic use of this.
> >
John Hasler wrote:
> I'm not trying to persuade anyone to use Emacs. I am trying to convince
> people not to be deterred from trying it because of myths such as "You
> can't use Emacs if you can't program in Lisp".
Sorry John, but all of this is obsolete, if you are pragmatic enough, you
would a
I'm not trying to persuade anyone to use Emacs. I am trying to convince
people not to be deterred from trying it because of myths such as "You
can't use Emacs if you can't program in Lisp".
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
I have an older Lenovo T520 laptop that I've ran Debian on for years and
I have never had any issues with putting it to "sleep" or suspending
when closing the lid. However after upgrading from stretch to Buster,
suspend fails to work.
I run KDE and I've tried to suspend from the desktop using
On Friday 29 March 2019 19:08:20 deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
> > deloptes writes:
> >> I've been listening at this BS at the university as well. Until now
> >> I have not seen any practical or pragmatic use of this.
> >
> > The results of ignoring it are evident all over the Web.
>
> this
John Hasler wrote:
> deloptes writes:
>> I've been listening at this BS at the university as well. Until now I
>> have not seen any practical or pragmatic use of this.
>
> The results of ignoring it are evident all over the Web.
this is true, unfortunately. It was 2009 when I finally gave up. If
On Fri 29 Mar 2019 at 09:35:21 (+), Dekks Herton wrote:
> David Wright writes:
> > On Thu 28 Mar 2019 at 08:30:47 (+), Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >> > "JH" == John Hasler writes:
> >>
> >> JH> deloptes writes:
> >> >> learning emacs means learning lisp
> >>
> >> JH> Not true.
> >>
Gian writes:
> And the elegance of the tool is more important that it seems at first
> glance.
deloptes writes:
> I've been listening at this BS at the university as well. Until now I
> have not seen any practical or pragmatic use of this.
The results of ignoring it are evident all over the Web.
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> EC> It's not. They are written in vimscript, analogous to elisp.
>
> Sorry not. While Elisp is a Lisp dialect, therefore is a language that
> has been formally proved to be equivalent to turing-machine, that is
> not certain for vimscript.
>
> And the elegance of the t
> Sorry not. While Elisp is a Lisp dialect, therefore is a language that
> has been formally proved to be equivalent to turing-machine, that is
> not certain for vimscript.
Vimscript may not be as elegant and powerful as Elisp, but there is no
doubt that it is Turing-complete (pretty much any lan
On 2019-03-29, Alexandre GRIVEAUX wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Do anybody play bluray with kodi ?
>
> Its work well with VLC on the same machine with:
>
> - libaacs
> - libdplus
> - some others related
>
> But i'm unable to play it with kodi, kodi detect a DVD instead of
> bluray.
Then what happens? Beca
> "EC" == Erik Christiansen writes:
EC> Yes, yes, reflexive combativeness is jolly good fun, but
EC> understanding is more useful in the long term.
In my experience, if the language is elegant and wise, you can write
your code "easily" and often you get better coding.
EC> word used refers t
> "EC" == Erik Christiansen writes:
EC> On 28.03.19 21:32, Matyáš Bobek wrote:
>> I reckon writing vim extensions in C must be quite obscure... How
>> is it done?
EC> It's not. They are written in vimscript, analogous to elisp.
Sorry not. While Elisp is a Lisp dialect, therefore is a langua
Gian quotes:
> " It seems to me that there have been two really clean, consistent
> models of programming so far: the C model and the Lisp model. These
> two seem points of high ground, with swampy lowlands between them. As
> computers have grown more powerful, the new languages being developed
> h
On 29.03.19 10:50, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "EC" == Erik Christiansen writes:
>
> EC> Yes, yes, reflexive combativeness is jolly good fun, but
> EC> understanding is more useful in the long term.
>
> In my experience, if the language is elegant and wise, you can write
> your code "easily
> "d" == deloptes writes:
d> Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> " It seems to me that there have been two really clean, consistent
>> models of programming so far: the C model and the Lisp model. These
>> two seem points of high ground, with swampy lowlands between
>> them. As computers have grown
> "d" == deloptes writes:
>> The trick with Emacs is doing as much things you can with one
>> istance, avoding continual start and stops.
d> Don't know! Really!
Not all are as smart as you are.
a> One can live and do everything without Emacs.
Indeed. But will lose the fun :)
--
/\
> "EC" == Erik Christiansen writes:
EC> When leading software development teams, I never asked team
EC> members which editor they favoured, either at hiring interview, or
EC> later. We just agreed on coding standards, and they configured
EC> their editors to conform.
👍
--
/\ ___
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And in some cases, just because I can do it.
--
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On tor, 2019-03-28 at 07:18 +, André Rodier wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Is th
On 29.03.19 10:44, deloptes wrote:
> One can live and do everything without Emacs.
Can't resist paraphrasing that in light of Emacs' OS-like reputation:
One can live and do everything within Emacs ... or without.
I would be tempted to have a look at ne, except that my fingers would
just continu
Hello,
Do anybody play bluray with kodi ?
Its work well with VLC on the same machine with:
- libaacs
- libdplus
- some others related
But i'm unable to play it with kodi, kodi detect a DVD instead of
bluray.
I'm using paquages from debian repos.
Thanks
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> " It seems to me that there have been two really clean, consistent
> models of programming so far: the C model and the Lisp model. These
> two seem points of high ground, with swampy lowlands between them. As
> computers have grown more powerful, the new languages being
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> If your work comprises repetitive tasks that can be automated, then
> Emacs can help you a lot.
>
> If you have several, unrelated, small tasks, theni firing up vim and
> then closing it may be a good choice.
>
> The trick with Emacs is doing as much things you can wit
David Wright writes:
> On Thu 28 Mar 2019 at 08:30:47 (+), Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> > "JH" == John Hasler writes:
>>
>> JH> deloptes writes:
>> >> learning emacs means learning lisp
>>
>> JH> Not true.
>>
>> In my experience is true. But needs some more words.
>>
>> When you inten
David Wright writes:
> On Thu 28 Mar 2019 at 08:30:47 (+), Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> > "JH" == John Hasler writes:
>>
>> JH> deloptes writes:
>> >> learning emacs means learning lisp
>>
>> JH> Not true.
>>
>> In my experience is true. But needs some more words.
>>
>> When you inten
On 29.03.19 08:47, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "EC" == Erik Christiansen writes:
>
> EC> On 28.03.19 21:32, Matyáš Bobek wrote:
> >> I reckon writing vim extensions in C must be quite obscure... How
> >> is it done?
>
> EC> It's not. They are written in vimscript, analogous to elisp.
>
> S
> "d" == deloptes writes:
d> My personal choice is ne on debian. For everything else there are
d> decent editors with GUI. My preference is eclipse and kate ... but
d> it also doesn't matter. I simply can not find any logical or
d> practical argument learning or using emacs ... and I work wi
> "d" == deloptes writes:
d> Pierre Fourès wrote:
>>> So there are many nifty things in Emacs. But the real killer is
>>> the integration of all those nifty things.
>>>
>>
>> Wow, this gave me the desire to give a real serious try to Emacs !
d> Don't sell your soul to the devil (jokingly)
> "d" == deloptes writes:
d> John Hasler wrote:
>> In fact, much of what we now know as Emacs *is* extensions written
>> in Elisp and many more extensions are available. You no more need
>> to know Elisp to use them or to install additional ones than you
>> need to know C to use Vim.
d> I
On 29.03.19 17:26, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> " Toggle relative line numbering.
> function! NList_toggle()
> if &rnu == 1
> set nornu" For absolute, elide the 'r'.
> else
> set rnu " For absolute, elide the 'r'.
> endif
> endfun
Apologies. There's
Erik Christiansen [2019-03-29 16:26:41+11] wrote:
> It's not. They [Vim extensions] are written in vimscript, analogous to
> elisp.
Vim script is analogous to Emacs Lisp in the point of view that both of
them are used to extend and configure the editor. There is also
important difference which co
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