Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Brad writes: > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > and groups.io that I know of have it. Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. https://www.sympa.org/overview/features -- John

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread NoSpam
Sur la partie apache je ne peux t'aider. Ton apache ne devrait pas écouter le 443, le 6443 comme dans mon exemple puis faire un proxy_pas sur jitsi.systelia.fr: en fonction du hostname appelé. À partir de là cela devrait être fonctionnel. Ma conf nginx: server { # SSL configuration

Lancer une appli graphique en ssh

2020-04-13 Thread ajh-valmer
Bonjour, Je tente de lancer une appli graphique depuis chez moi (client) depuis un serveur distant : ssh root@ -X xclock "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0" J'ai vainement cherché, rien ne fonctionne, c'est désespérant, dont de

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
tomás writes: > Please, folks. The subject (mail vs discourse) is thorny enough, > eliciting strong emotions (myself included). > Mixing it up with group moderation is going to kill any chance > of having a productive discussion. > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform à

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
NoSpam a écrit : > Rappelle toi que jitsi utilise le port 443 pour le proxy. Si ton apache > écoute également sur ce port ... Chez moi nginx écoute le 6443 (MV dont > le port 443 de l'extérieur est forwardé sur ce port) et fait proxy_pass > vers le pour jitsi qui utilise également le 80, le

Debian/Sid sur "gros" ordinateur de bureau - plantage économiseur d'écran donc comment vidanger sur disque SSD

2020-04-13 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
Bonjour Ma machine à la maison est une "grosse" machine: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2970WX, carte mère MSI X399 SLI Plus, 64Go de RAM, boitier bien ventilé, 12 Tera de disque dont un Samsung SSD 970 EVO 2TB, deux cartes graphiques (AMD Radeon 570 + Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti). Noyau Linux 5.5.0, xorg

Re: Sound issues on ThinkPad X220T (Lenovo)

2020-04-13 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi, For the record, I had the exact same problem on a computer running buster that I don't use very often. For sure, it was working fine even with timidity installed a few months ago. Many thanks to Andrei for the 'lsof | grep /dev/snd' command that pointed us in the right direction! Debugging

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:32:56AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2020 13 Apr 03:10 -0500, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Well, Russ Allbery is one of the most intelligent and even-headed > > folks out there. > > Agreed. > > I doubt that Russ reads this list [...] I wouldn't be so sure.

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2020 13 Apr 03:10 -0500, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Well, Russ Allbery is one of the most intelligent and even-headed > folks out there. Agreed. I doubt that Russ reads this list and may not be aware of the experiences of us that have dealt with a project that wholesale replaced working

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread NoSpam
Rappelle toi que jitsi utilise le port 443 pour le proxy. Si ton apache écoute également sur ce port ... Chez moi nginx écoute le 6443 (MV dont le port 443 de l'extérieur est forwardé sur ce port) et fait proxy_pass vers le pour jitsi qui utilise également le 80, le 443 pour *son*

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
BERTRAND Joël a écrit : > NoSpam a écrit : >> Une idée: tu pourrais faire l'authentification avec apache .htaccess >> sans toucher à Jitsi. > > J'y ai pensé ce matin, mais ça ne me donne pas la souplesse attendue. > Sinon, pas d'erreur grossière ? > À propos d'erreur, en voici une

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
NoSpam a écrit : > Une idée: tu pourrais faire l'authentification avec apache .htaccess > sans toucher à Jitsi. J'y ai pensé ce matin, mais ça ne me donne pas la souplesse attendue. Sinon, pas d'erreur grossière ?

Re: dhclient deixa de funcionar

2020-04-13 Thread Narcis Garcia
__ I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. El 13/4/20 a les 13:11, Alex Muntada ha escrit: > Hola Narcis, > >> Coincideix que els

Re: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps

2020-04-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:28:51AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote: > On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 17:51 +0300, Reco wrote: > > GeocodeNominatim * > > geocode_nominatim_get_gnome (void) > > { > > GeocodeNominatim *backend; > > > > G_LOCK (backend_nominatim_gnome_lock); > > backend =

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > > > It is, on the

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > [...] > If the interface is as good as google mail in browser, I won't last long; > maybe 2 minutes. It makes gmail look good. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Mon, 13 Apr, 2020 at 12:57:54 +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:16:02AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > > Whether DoH or DNS-over-TLS, you have to trust the DNS server. > > Yup. That's why I have my own, and every Debian user can have their own > too, using

Re: dhclient deixa de funcionar

2020-04-13 Thread Alex Muntada
Hola Narcis, > Coincideix que els ordinadors amb aquest problema foren > instal·lats de zero amb Debian 9, i després actualitzats a > Debian 10. Diria que em va passar quelcom similar després d'actualitzar un servidor virtual i vaig poder resoldre el problema amb el que proposen a:

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread NoSpam
Une idée: tu pourrais faire l'authentification avec apache .htaccess sans toucher à Jitsi. J'ai fais différemment: je n'autorise que certaines salle prédéfinies avec accès sans mot de passe. Le 13/04/2020 à 11:23, BERTRAND Joël a écrit : NoSpam a écrit : Le 11/04/2020 à 14:49, BERTRAND

Re: économie numérique - Re: prestataire videoconférences en Europe

2020-04-13 Thread Haricophile
Le Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:21:15 +0200, "ajh-valmer" a écrit : > Je lis dans la presse de ce matin : > "Après le covid, la France doit faire repartir sa magnifique industrie au > plus vite". > Mais elle est ou cette industrie ? Ah ça je sais :

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:57:54PM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:16:02AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > Yup. That's why I have my own, and every Debian user can have their own > too, using only free software. ...and that is why I want the apps on my box to

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:16:02AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 13 apr 20, 08:47:22, Reco wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote: > > > > > How many people use a dnssec validating resolver? > > > > See above. Besides, DNSSEC is for integrity of

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:05:05 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >> You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops >> hi-jacking, drift, etc.) >I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Keith, On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 02:45:33PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > I might give it a try - but my history with fora that are > available in browser is that I forget to go look at what is > happening; even when I ask a question. At least with email, I get > a prompt to look at un-read

Re: Jitsi sur serveur debian/testing

2020-04-13 Thread BERTRAND Joël
NoSpam a écrit : > > Le 11/04/2020 à 14:49, BERTRAND Joël a écrit : >> Bonjour à tous, >> >> J'essaie d'installer jitsi sur l'un de mes serveurs et je sèche. J'ai >> besoin d'une authentification (je ne veux pas que n'importe qui puisse >> faire n'importe quoi sur un serveur accessible

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:55 +0200 > wrote: > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > >This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be > >easier for discourse? > > You can close threads, so no further messages can be added

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:55 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be >easier for discourse? You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops hi-jacking, drift, etc.) Can split message(s) off to start new topic

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2020-04-13, wrote: > >> Why are you doing this? >> I have two motivations. First, is moderation. Discourse has built in >> tools to allow community moderation on a much better scale than our email >> lists. > > This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be > easier for

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 10:32:55, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > > > It is, on

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change > as

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change as given by the primary proponent of the change: Why are you doing

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 10:09:40, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:24:04AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [...] > > > For those who are not following the discussion on -project here are two, > > from my point of view, excelent messages [...] > > >

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 08:47:22, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote: > > > How many people use a dnssec validating resolver? > > See above. Besides, DNSSEC is for integrity of zones, not privacy. > You need DNS-over-TLS if you need last one. > > > > At least

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:24:04AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > For those who are not following the discussion on -project here are two, > from my point of view, excelent messages [...] > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00103.html > >

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 apr 20, 11:45:02, Reco wrote: > Dear list, > > [1] came to my attention today. To quote relevant parts: > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html For those who are not following the discussion on -project here are two, from my point of view, excelent

Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:36:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:47:52 -0700 > Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:39:43 PM PDT John Hasler wrote: [...] > > > "Ease of moderation" is *not* a plus. > > > > +1 > > Observing how zealots have moderated Norbert

Re: Debian is testing Discourse

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 apr 20, 10:55:48, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I've been hearing/reading this old saw about "less technical users" for > well over two decades, and not just in Linux land but amateur radio as > well, and it really touches a nerve of mine. How are less technical > users ever going to

Re: DOH (was: geolocation services disabled and Gnome maps)

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote: [...] > Mozilla claims it's a privacy issue: > https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-dns-over-https > Benefits Yes, sure [1], but *not in each and every friggin' application*. It'd be OK for the local DNS caching resolver to forward

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