> AIUI compilers have been studied so extensively that their production is
> largely automated.
Oh, no. There are some parts we know how to automate, but by and large
it's all hand written code.
> Create an EBNF specification, feed it through a tool
> chain (lex, yacc, cc, as, ld, etc.), and you
On 3/4/21 9:28 PM, David Christensen wrote:
(One more step of 'cT = cT(a)' may be required
Correction: cT = cT(T)
David
On 3/4/21 6:50 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
The abstract states:
"In the DDC technique, source code is compiled twice: once with a
second (trusted) compiler (using the source code of the compiler’s
parent), and then the compiler source code is compiled using the
result of the first compilation.
> The abstract states:
>
> "In the DDC technique, source code is compiled twice: once with a
> second (trusted) compiler (using the source code of the compiler’s
> parent), and then the compiler source code is compiled using the
> result of the first compilation. If the result is bi
Brian wrote:
>On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 11:40:00 -0600, David Wright wrote:
>
>> On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > It would be nicer if there was some person or group that tried to vet
>> > them, or
>> > maybe even suggesting that something like a requirement
I have been trying for some time to setup a system that will share an
attached scanner over the network. I had hoped to use Buster as it is
still the stable instance of Debian. I have followed everything in [1]
but I could never get it to work. I then tried Bullseye and it worked
right away. To
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 23:34:25 +0100
wrote:
>
> Yes, but... letting your compiler plant bugs into someone else's
> software to phone back to *you*... chutzpah. Had to be Microsoft.
>
>
Not necessarily, nearly all writers of Windows software believe that
they own your computer while their softw
On 3/4/21 4:27 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
What I do now is make yet another attempt to convey my problem.
My universe consists of:
1. myself.
2. a laptop onto which I wish to install Debian using a netinst.iso .
3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP.
T-Mobile erroneou
Since I know we have some people on this list who might be
interested in this --
https://blvuug.org/
is the home of the new Blind and Low-Vision UNIX Users Group.
They're just getting started.
-dsr-
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 05:18:38PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > The part that I find more interesting is the "emergent evil" thing.
> > Somehow the techies found that it is OK to do that and they did,
> > in the best of their intentions.
>
> I'm not surprised: it's quite common to want to get
On 3/4/21 12:43 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Read David A. Wheeler's work [1] and put yourself in the 2010s :-)
> [1] https://dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/
The abstract states:
"In the DDC technique, source code is compiled twice: once with a
second (trusted) compiler (using the source
> The part that I find more interesting is the "emergent evil" thing.
> Somehow the techies found that it is OK to do that and they did,
> in the best of their intentions.
I'm not surprised: it's quite common to want to get some kind of
information about how your program performs (i.e. things like
On Thursday, March 04, 2021 12:40:00 PM David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
> Brian wrote: '"+1" for what? Advertising each and every non-Debian
> installer that comes along and is upl
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 11:40:00 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > It would be nicer if there was some person or group that tried to vet them,
> > or
> > maybe even suggesting that something like a requirement that at least one
>
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 19:05:38 +0100
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
...
> > I know I can't avoid the risk
> > entirely, but this is one of the reasons I try hard to limit my use of
> > software to stuff in the repos. I understand it's no magic bul
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> > - Sometime 2017 [1], Microsoft put out a version of Visual Studio
> > which baked "phone home" functionality into its compiled "products".
[...]
> > I call this pattern "Emergent Evil".
>
> Outrageous, certainly - this sort
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 10:54:14 (+), Leandro neto wrote:
> I volunteer to be [ ] a mirror on Rio de Janeiro Brasil. I build computers
> but I don't know about programming leandro
AIUI we're not talking about mirrors, but about building the software
that might eventually be mirrored.
Cheers,
On Thu 04 Mar 2021 at 06:27:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/03/2021 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
> > I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
> > debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded &
On Wed 03 Mar 2021 at 10:36:42 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
Brian wrote: '"+1" for what? Advertising each and every non-Debian
installer that comes along and is uploaded to unofficial?'
> > I was under the impression that "The Deb
Hey, bathroom scales are something (I think) I am qualified to talk about, at
least from the POV of a user ;-)
On Thursday, March 04, 2021 10:05:29 AM Joe wrote:
> On a rather smaller scale, my electronic bathroom scale has a feature
> whereby if a person gets back onto the scale within thirty se
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-03-04 05:54 (UTC-0600):
> David Christensen wrote:
>> I think 90% of the OP's problems stem from the fact that he does not
>> have good Internet service.
> I'm not aware of any germane
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:14:08 +0100
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 09:21:46AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:17:59 +0100
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > > > Joe wrote:
>
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 15:05:29 +
Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:10:45 -0500
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > Joe wrote:
...
> > > Indeed. The new heartbeat/data return function in OpenSSL, itself
> > > the core of much Open Source security, was suggested by t
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 09:21:46AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:17:59 +0100
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt th
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:10:45 -0500
Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> Joe wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> > serious compiler in the West has been compromised. Why would they
> > *not* be?
>
> Do you have any evidence f
[Please don't top post.]
On Thu, 04 Mar 2021 13:39:56 +
Leandro neto wrote:
> I discover it on October 2019 nobody listen to me
Are you able to document it - can you point to a publicly available
version of GCC (or whatever software you're talking about) that
contained a backdoor?
> Assunt
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:17:59 +0100
wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> > > serious compiler in the West has been compromise
I discover it on October 2019 nobody listen to me
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Assunto: Re: Trusting trust [was: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems]
De: to...@tuxteam.de
Enviado em: 4 de março de 2021 10:18
Para: cele...@gmail.com
Cópia: debian-user@lists.de
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:09:46AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de (to...@tuxteam.de) wrote:
> > > 1x 4TB, single drive, 3.7 TB, w=108MB/s , rw=50MB/s ,
> > > r=204MB/s
> > > 2x 4TB, mirror (raid1),3.7 TB, w=106MB/s , rw=50MB/s , r=488MB/s
>
> > Thanks. Real d
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
> Joe wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> > serious compiler in the West has been compromised. Why would they *not*
> > be?
>
> Do you have any eviden
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:41:13 +
Joe wrote:
...
> Undoubtedly. But there is also no doubt that gcc and every other
> serious compiler in the West has been compromised. Why would they *not*
> be?
Do you have any evidence for this, or is it just your assumption,
because "why would they not be?"
to...@tuxteam.de (to...@tuxteam.de) wrote:
> > 1x 4TB, single drive, 3.7 TB, w=108MB/s , rw=50MB/s , r=204MB/s
> > 2x 4TB, mirror (raid1),3.7 TB, w=106MB/s , rw=50MB/s , r=488MB/s
> Thanks. Real data :)
>
> The doubling in read throughput is somewhat surprising to me. Some
>
On 03/04/2021 06:27 AM, Tixy wrote:
On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 05:54 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP.
T-Mobile erroneously ASSUMES that *all* customers will use it as a
WiFi Hotspot to create a LAN of up to 15 devices.
I, howeve
On 03/03/2021 09:22 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 .
I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine.
debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved.
It was copied to a USB flash drive and installation attempted.
Only
On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 05:54 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
>3. an Alcatel Linkzone sold me by T-Mobile, my ISP.
> T-Mobile erroneously ASSUMES that *all* customers will use it as a
> WiFi Hotspot to create a LAN of up to 15 devices.
> I, however, disable the WiFi as that functio
On 03/03/2021 03:53 PM, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:38:20 -0800
David Christensen wrote:
On 3/3/21 7:36 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 03/03/2021 08:35 AM, David Christensen wrote:
On 3/3/21 1:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
2. I'm pushing at my data cap {including unused from previous
m
I volunteer to beca mirror on Rio de Janeiro Brasil. I build computers but I don't know about programming leandro
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Assunto: Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]
De: rhkra...@gmail.com
Enviado em: 3 de março de 2021 12:37
On 2021-03-03, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:01:09 PM David Wright wrote:
>> I was under the impression that "The Debian Images Team is a small
>> team of people working on creating, testing and distributing Debian
>> images for [us]", whereas you seem to be describing
On 2021-03-04 09:41, Joe wrote:
Of course. Any externally-supplied network device is inherently
untrusted. It is unwise to give any IoT device access to your network,
it is fail-safe to assume that every such device reports back as much
as possible to some Chinese company.
Most certainly. The
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:43:57 +0100
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 05:42:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > So, you designed, built, and programmed your "single other machine"
> > using machines that you designed, built [...]
>
> This is disingenuous.
>
> The whole game is
Dave Sherohman writes:
> Any tips on making use of the grub shell to make further progress, such
> as getting the system to boot in non-rescue mode (i.e., not chrooted
> from the installer)? The help information available in the grub shell
> itself isn't terribly useful because it scrolls off th
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 05:40:39PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Felix Miata wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU composed on 2021-03-03 17:50 (UTC+0200):
> >
> > > Felix Miata wrote:
> > [...] Do
> > you know of, or can you provide a reference to, any way RAID1 performance
> > can be
> > better than single d
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 05:16:14PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU composed on 2021-03-03 17:50 (UTC+0200):
>
> > Felix Miata wrote:
>
> >> To start with, RAID1 is marginally slower than ordinary filesystems on
> >> partitions.
>
> > This is true for some workloads, for others it can
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 11:08:40PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf
>
> Not sure how this is relevant. This is like talking about the security
> of locks when the other guy is openly telling you he has a copy of
> the key.
:-)
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 05:42:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
[...]
> So, you designed, built, and programmed your "single other machine"
> using machines that you designed, built [...]
This is disingenuous.
The whole game is about trust. I trust gcc more than I trust MSVC.
That may be a g
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