Re: pb wifi en installant sur Asus vivobook 14

2022-12-01 Thread steve
Le 02-12-2022, à 07:32:37 +0100, Pierre Couderc a écrit : Je veux essayer rfkill mais je ne le trouve pas... Mais je ne comprends toujours pas pourquoi rfkill n'est pas installé... rfkill est un paquet optionnel donc il n'est installé que si d'autres paquets le demande. Les commandes

Re: pb wifi en installant sur Asus vivobook 14

2022-12-01 Thread Pierre Couderc
Le 02/12/2022 à 01:36, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit : - Mail original - De: "Pierre Couderc" À: "duf" Envoyé: Jeudi 1 Décembre 2022 23:41:31 Objet: pb wifi en installant sur Asus vivobook 14 Bonjour, J'ai installé  sans problème un syteme bullseye  basique (sans gui), rajouté le

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 09:53:37PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > L Dimov wrote: > > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid > > Looks like > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209943 > where it is characterized as annoying message but elsewise harmless. > > > > thunderbolt 0-0:

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote: >On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater > wrote: [...] > > Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did > > you use and did you wait until it had copied fully? > > > > Andy

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 14:25:19 (+0100), Loïc Grenié wrote: > Happened once again. This time I think the culprit was udev (but I > cannot > be too sure). Among the updated package nothing should have killed X: > beyond udev there was a bunch of libreoffice and related (not using right >

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 17:45:25 (-0700), Tom Dial wrote: > On 11/29/22 15:35, Loïc Grenié wrote: > >     Dear Debian users, > > > >     when I apt upgrade my system, I often (one every three, more > >   or less) find myself brutally logged out of the window system, > >   with systemd services

Anyone versed in SH-4 architecture and assembly

2022-12-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
Hi Everyone, I use Debian Chroot's to test on platforms that Debian supports, like SH-4. I'm having trouble installing GDB on SH-4 because of a dependency called python-greenlet that fails to build from source (FTBFS). See [1] and [2]. We could use some help from someone who is versed in SH-4

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread Geoff
Loïc Grenié wrote:     Dear Debian users,     when I apt upgrade my system, I often (one every three, more   or less) find myself brutally logged out of the window system,   with systemd services painfully restarting (or failing to restart).   The only way I can recover is usually to

Re: black screen in sid

2022-12-01 Thread David
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 20:02, Jeremy Hendricks wrote: In my experience, it’s of unheard of for Sid to break from time to time. I’d imagine updating in a day or a few might fix it. On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 8:00 PM Michael Thompson mailto:kneedragon1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Debian ~

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread Tom Dial
On 11/29/22 15:35, Loïc Grenié wrote:     Dear Debian users,     when I apt upgrade my system, I often (one every three, more   or less) find myself brutally logged out of the window system,   with systemd services painfully restarting (or failing to restart).   The only way I can

Re: black screen in sid

2022-12-01 Thread Jeremy Hendricks
In my experience, it’s of unheard of for Sid to break from time to time. I’d imagine updating in a day or a few might fix it. On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 8:00 PM Michael Thompson wrote: > Dear Debian ~ > > Please forgive my neglecting to use the correct format for a bug report, > but ~ let me

black screen in sid

2022-12-01 Thread Michael Thompson
Dear Debian ~ Please forgive my neglecting to use the correct format for a bug report, but ~ let me explain. I am a 60 year old home Linux tinkerer, a Linux geek. I run Mint + Mate as my host and virtualbox, with a dozen guests. One guest is Debian sid. I just ran sudo apt update; sudo apt

Re: pb wifi en installant sur Asus vivobook 14

2022-12-01 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
- Mail original - > De: "Pierre Couderc" > À: "duf" > Envoyé: Jeudi 1 Décembre 2022 23:41:31 > Objet: pb wifi en installant sur Asus vivobook 14 > > Bonjour, > > J'ai installé  sans problème un syteme bullseye  basique (sans gui), > rajouté le firware wifi, mis le wifi n'apparait

Re: tbird AND javamail both broken

2022-12-01 Thread Gareth Evans
On Thu 1 Dec 2022, at 21:13, David Wright wrote: [...] > I think we're in agreement that everything is /defined/ in this > set of RFCs ... Yes. > As for lengthy explanations, I think you have to > bear in mind that the earlier RFCs often introduced concepts and > material that were quite new

Re: Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:03:16 +0100 Yvan Masson wrote: > I made a few modifications based on your comments: > https://wiki.debian.org/GRUB2?action=diff=28=27 > > Hope it is clear now. Much better, thank you. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com

pb wifi en installant sur Asus vivobook 14

2022-12-01 Thread Pierre Couderc
Bonjour, J'ai installé  sans problème un syteme bullseye  basique (sans gui), rajouté le firware wifi, mis le wifi n'apparait pas dans ip a. Je veux essayer rfkill mais je ne le trouve pas... Qu'est ce que j'oublie ? Merci PC

Re: tbird AND javamail both broken

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 23:02:16 (+), Gareth Evans wrote: > On Tue 29 Nov 2022, at 16:52, David Wright wrote: > > Yes, but my post responded to, and only concerned, what lies between > > the end of the body area and the next boundary marker, whereas your > > quotation here from RFC1521 (which

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote: >On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater > wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote: > > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from > > a USB

Re: Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Yvan Masson
Le 01/12/2022 à 18:14, Charles Curley a écrit : On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:07:53 +0100 Yvan Masson wrote: I have just updated the GRUB2 page on the wiki to briefly explain how GRUB2 should be configured in case of software RAID [1]. As I am not an expert nor an English native, could someone have a

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 18:58:11 (+), L Dimov wrote: > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a > USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this > text: > > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid I agree with Thomas, just ignore it

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, L Dimov wrote: > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid Looks like https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209943 where it is characterized as annoying message but elsewise harmless. > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed Looks like a problem with the egg-laying woolmilkpig, which

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread L Dimov
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote: > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a > USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote: > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a > USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this > text: > > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM

Re: tbird broken

2022-12-01 Thread Kamil Jońca
Max Nikulin writes: > On 19/11/2022 18:59, Kamil Jońca wrote: >>> On 18/11/2022 14:42, Kamil Jońca wrote: user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false); > ... >> But old implementation works, at least for me, while new not. > > I would say that both implementations have issues and I faced more

problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread L Dimov
I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this text: DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash) Enter

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 07:25:24PM +0100, jd wrote: > > On 2022-12-01 19:05, Tim Woodall wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, jd wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: > > > > Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: > > > > > > > > Try to deinstall cups and remove

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread jd
On 2022-12-01 19:05, Tim Woodall wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, jd wrote: On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: Try to deinstall cups and remove any usb cameras. I had had the problem, that cups detected an usb camera as a printer and then

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread jd
On 2022-12-01 18:19, David Wright wrote: On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 13:22:11 (+0100), jd wrote: On 2022-12-01 04:14, David Wright wrote: On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 19:38:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: Have you considered the possibility it's *not* hung, but is in fact booted and working? Have you

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Tim Woodall
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 05:16:56PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread Tim Woodall
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, jd wrote: On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: Try to deinstall cups and remove any usb cameras. I had had the problem, that cups detected an usb camera as a printer and then stopped booting. I tried removing all

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 13:22:11 (+0100), jd wrote: > On 2022-12-01 04:14, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 19:38:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Have you considered the possibility it's *not* hung, but is in fact > > > booted and working? > > > > > > Have you tried pressing

Re: Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:07:53 +0100 Yvan Masson wrote: > I have just updated the GRUB2 page on the wiki to briefly explain how > GRUB2 should be configured in case of software RAID [1]. As I am not > an expert nor an English native, could someone have a look to check > this? Being a native

Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Yvan Masson
Hi, I have just updated the GRUB2 page on the wiki to briefly explain how GRUB2 should be configured in case of software RAID [1]. As I am not an expert nor an English native, could someone have a look to check this? Thanks, Yvan 1. https://wiki.debian.org/GRUB2?action=diff=27=26

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Dan Ritter
Hakan Bayındır wrote: > > > I think AppImages are great (from my perspective) for allowing people to run > whatever they want on their systems, without getting root privileges and > having a sandboxed, hermetically sealed application with batteries included. If they actually did that, it would

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Hakan Bayındır
On 1.12.2022 12:16, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or explicitly acquiring privilege of) user. The general idea of a

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, jd wrote: > Perhaps there's just something iffy with the installation media I used? I deem this unlikely, given that you report no errors during installation. Nevertheless: Which installation image did you use ? If the installation medium with that image is still at hand, what checksum do

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread jd
On 2022-12-01 04:14, David Wright wrote: On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 19:38:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 01:36:05AM +0100, jd wrote: On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: Try to deinstall cups and remove any usb

Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing lists [No updates November 2022]

2022-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for

Re: Copier plusieurs ISO sur une clé USB pour installer Debian

2022-12-01 Thread Olivier
La machine qui refuse la clé Ventoy est un HP Prodesk 600 g1 dm. Son BIOS date de 2014. Il en existe un plus récent mais sa mise à jour semble imposer l'utilisation de Windows. La procédure [1] semble contourner cette limitation. Je vais l'essayer et voir si ça change quelque chose pour la clé

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 05:16:56PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > > > Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any > > package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or > > explicitly acquiring privilege

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any > package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or > explicitly acquiring privilege of) user. The general idea of a safe way to allow users to manage

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 12:34:35AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The one application I do avoid upgrading while it's running is > >> Firefox, but that's mainly because it occasionally gives a new > >> startup screen after an upgrade, and I want to read what it says. > > > > I take the risk and