On Sun, 2023-06-11 at 15:24 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:12 AM Tixy wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> > > https://www.debian.org/doc/m
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:32:27 +0200
wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 09:27:11PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Nice try. However, this isn't allowed, as it would apparently remove
> > libcrypt1:i386, which is apparently a "system-critical" package. I'm
> > not sure how t
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 09:27:11PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
[...]
> Nice try. However, this isn't allowed, as it would apparently remove
> libcrypt1:i386, which is apparently a "system-critical" package. I'm
> not sure how this could be system critical, since my original
> installati
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 00:13:39 -0400
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 10:27 PM wrote:
> >
> > Folks:
> >
> > In order to install steam from the Debian repo, I followed the
> > directions to:
> >
> > dpkg --add-architecture i386
> >
> > prior to the installation. Turns out steam woul
David Wright wrote:
> songbird wrote:
...
>> except that is a misconception for those who are running
>> testing. we're not upgrading to a new release.
>
> I don't understand. Suite testing was codenamed bookworm until today,
> and now testing is codenamed trixie. Why is that not a new release?
Greg Wooledge wrote:
...
> The overwhelming majority of people who track testing think that it's
> a rolling release. It's not. It's actually a series of evolving
> release candidates, with periods of great disruption interspersed with
> periods of relative calm.
>
> You're clearing replying to s
On 2023-06-11 at 17:36, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 09:32:04 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-11 at 09:05, David Wright wrote:
>>> It would seem very simple, the first time this happens, to
>>> configure this in APT. I typed man apt-get (my preferred
>>> method),
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 10:37:45PM +0100, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 05:58:50 (-0400), songbird wrote:
> > Tixy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > >> Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> > >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> >
On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 05:58:50 (-0400), songbird wrote:
> Tixy wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> >> Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> >> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
> >>
>
Hi,
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 02:01:34PM -0400, Default User wrote:
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade could use a tune-up, particularly
> the part about editing /etc/apt/sources.list, which IMHO could be
> worded a little more clearly.
It is a wiki, so you can do that.
If you can articulat
On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 09:32:04 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2023-06-11 at 09:05, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 08:12:49 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
> >> On 2023-06-11 at 07:50, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>
> >>> If you track "testing" (something which has been deprecated for
>
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 3:35 PM Brian wrote:
>
> On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 15:24:16 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:12 AM Tixy wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> > > > https://wiki.debia
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 03:24:16PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:12 AM Tixy wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> > > https://www.debian.org
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:12 AM Tixy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
> >
> > Maybe it's time for a comple
Hello,
can confirm the statement of Dan.
Just did an upgrade Bullseye -> Bookworm at two computer.
1. Lenovo V340-17IWL
XFCE Desktop
used as daily driver
2. NUC Kit DC53427HYE
XFCE Desktop
but used as server for a Nextcloud instance
general connetion via ssh
Both upgrades run smoothly
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 1:24 PM mick.crane wrote:
> [...]
> I used firmware-bookworm-DI-alpha1-amd64-DVD-1.iso on a USB stick
> and previously bookworm alpha "something or other" which is on a CD and
> I've not got the iso to report the exact name..
> The keyboard and mouse respond in the BIOS men
On Sun, 2023-06-11 at 19:54 +0200, hede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on bullseye fstrim was working fine, but after the upgrade to bookworm fstrim
> stops working.
> Setup is: ext4 on LUKS on LVM on SSD
I have same setup on the machine I upgraded to Bookworm today and I
just checked and discards still wor
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 19:54:32 +0200 hede wrote:
> on bullseye fstrim was working fine, but after the upgrade to bookworm fstrim
> stops working.
Sorry, my fault.
I'm using a script to decrypt this drive via SecureBoot+TPM so /etc/crypttab
doesn't get used and this script doesn't use the allo
On Sun, 2023-06-11 at 07:11 +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
> >
> > Maybe it's time for a compl
On 6/11/23 10:23, mick.crane wrote:
On 2023-06-11 17:53, Peter Ehlert wrote:
On June 11, 2023 9:05:13 AM "mick.crane" wrote:
Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying number
C50-A-19T
I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
Installed bookworm on it twice the last t
On 2023-06-11 17:53, Peter Ehlert wrote:
On June 11, 2023 9:05:13 AM "mick.crane" wrote:
Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying
number
C50-A-19T
I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
Installed bookworm on it twice the last time with the iso with the
freeware.
The machine I am typing on has been upgraded from bullseye to
bookworm. TL;DR: boring, which is good.
Hardware:
AMD 5 3600 (6c12t)
32 GB RAM
one NVMe SSD, ext4
MSI MS-7C95 B550M PRO-VDH WIFI motherboard
Peripherals:
Blue Yeti microphone
X-Bows KNIGHT keyboard
Logitech C920 webcam
Logitech Unify
> Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying number
> C50-A-19T
> I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
> Installed bookworm on it twice the last time with the iso with the freeware.
"freeware"? As in proprietary software that is gratis?
> This did not automagically ca
On June 11, 2023 9:05:13 AM "mick.crane" wrote:
Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying number
C50-A-19T
I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
Installed bookworm on it twice the last time with the iso with the
freeware.
Unless this was in the last 24 hours I'm
>> i use i386 because the computer has 2Gb Ram memory only and was a present
Sounds like a good reason to me.
>> and to put 1Tb ssd and 8Gb Ram memory it’s the maximum I installed bullseye
>> i386 with the little memory..
I also run i386 on many of my machines, but note that for the machines
wit
Somebody gave me a Toshiba satellite laptop with the identifying number
C50-A-19T
I think this is what is called a Dynabook.
Installed bookworm on it twice the last time with the iso with the
freeware.
This did not automagically cause the trackpad and keyboard to work.
I could only proceed throu
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 08:12:49AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> The same thing applies to those who track 'stable' by that name. Using
>> the symbolic names for the releases, rather than the actual codenames,
>> *is semantically different* and the tools *should treat it diff
On 2023-06-11 at 09:34, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 09:20:41AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-11 at 09:02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> Using "stable" in your sources.list is idiotic, and you should
>>> not do it. Ever.
>>>
>>> This is not a "use at your own risk" sc
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 09:20:41AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2023-06-11 at 09:02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 08:12:49AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> >> The same thing applies to those who track 'stable' by that name.
> >> Using the symbolic names for the releases
On 2023-06-11 at 09:05, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 08:12:49 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-11 at 07:50, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>> If you track "testing" (something which has been deprecated for
>>> a while)
>>
>> What? Since when? This is the first I remember h
On 2023-06-11 at 09:02, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 08:12:49AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> The same thing applies to those who track 'stable' by that name.
>> Using the symbolic names for the releases, rather than the actual
>> codenames, *is semantically different* and the
On Sat 10 Jun 2023 at 09:52:43 (+), Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> Is there a simple way, without installing gazillion programs and
> tweaking tens of configuration files, to have at startup the
> combination of CTRL and left ALT produce the same result as AltGr?
> This must work for both console and
On Sun 11 Jun 2023 at 08:12:49 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2023-06-11 at 07:50, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 05:58:50AM -0400, songbird wrote:
> >> Tixy wrote:
>
> >>> Or maybe the wiki page should be deleted, or just say go RTFM,
> >>> i.e. read the release notes for
The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2023-06-11 at 07:50, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
...
>> If you track "testing" (something which has been deprecated for a
>> while)
>
> What? Since when? This is the first I remember having heard of this.
ditto...
> Certainly the "continuously usable testing" thing seems
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 08:12:49AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> The same thing applies to those who track 'stable' by that name. Using
> the symbolic names for the releases, rather than the actual codenames,
> *is semantically different* and the tools *should treat it differently*.
Using "stable"
> > On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 06:52:59PM -0400, songbird wrote:
> > > =
> > > # apt-get update
> > [...]
> > > Reading package lists... Done
> > > E: Repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug testing-debug
> > > InRelease' changed its 'Codename' value from 'bookworm-debug' to
> > > 'trix
Hi Michel,
Le 10-06-2023, à 11:19:25 +0200, Michel Verdier a écrit :
On 2023-06-10, steve wrote:
Hi Michel and al,
After a few days with this configuration, same errors are still present.
I guess I'll have either to reinstall or go the postfix way.
Just to be sure before you reinstall can
On 10/06/2023 16:08, S M wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 02:12:14PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
Is command-line editing part of POSIX, then? Are you suggesting that dash is
missing some bit of POSIX compliance? That's possible.
Command-line editing in vi-mode is defined by POSIX, but it's not m
On 2023-06-11 at 07:50, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 05:58:50AM -0400, songbird wrote:
>
>> Tixy wrote:
>>> Or maybe the wiki page should be deleted, or just say go RTFM,
>>> i.e. read the release notes for the release you want to upgrade
>>> to.
>>
>> except that is a mis
On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 05:58:50AM -0400, songbird wrote:
> Tixy wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> >> Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
> >> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
> >>
Tixy wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
>> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
>>
>> Maybe it's time for a complete refresh of those documents.
>
> Or m
Jeffrey Walton writes:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:12 AM Tixy wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2023-06-10 at 23:55 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> > Debian's wiki says to use apt-get:
>> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade. Also see
>> > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/uptodate.html .
>> >
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