Le 22-01-2021, à 14:59:27 +0200, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Vi, 22 ian 21, 08:08:57, steve wrote:
Le 21-01-2021, à 09:45:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Jo, 21 ian 21, 08:34:34, steve wrote:
> > I have rebooted with udev_log=debug in /etc/udev/udev.conf. I see
> >
>
]
Thanks
Steve
Le 21-01-2021, à 09:45:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Jo, 21 ian 21, 08:34:34, steve wrote:
I have rebooted with udev_log=debug in /etc/udev/udev.conf. I see
Jan 21 08:15:28 box systemd-udevd[607]: sdc6: Failed to update device symlinks:
Too many levels of symbolic links
Jan 21 08:15
Hi,
Le 21-01-2021, à 20:41:05 -0600, David Wright a écrit :
On Thu 21 Jan 2021 at 08:34:34 (+0100), steve wrote:
I have rebooted with udev_log=debug in /etc/udev/udev.conf. I see
Jan 21 08:15:28 box systemd-udevd[607]: sdc6: Failed to update device symlinks:
Too many levels of symbolic
ing symlink
'/dev/disk/by-path/pci-:00:17.0-ata-2-part6' to '../../sdc6'
And the same for other partitions which are all part of a Raid1 array.
Other partitions are not impacted. So I guess this is related.
But I'm blocked now.
Help please.
Thanks
Steve
Le 20-01-2021, à 16:06:53 -0500, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
Le 20-01-2021, à 10:15:47 -0500, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
# find /dev -follow -printf ""
You want `-mount` in there so you don't enter things like `/dev/fd` or
`/dev/shm`.
I tried that on /
Not a good idea: the `-mount` will then pre
Le 20-01-2021, à 10:15:47 -0500, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
# find /dev -follow -printf ""
You want `-mount` in there so you don't enter things like `/dev/fd` or
`/dev/shm`.
I tried that on / and got no output at all.
But still have the same messages in syslog at boot time.
Thanks.
Le 20-01-2021, à 11:30:50 +0100, Erwan David a écrit :
What is strange is that it is always /dev/fd/4 that is missing, even
after a reboot.
it is not missing : it disapears. And /dev/fd/4 is a link to a file
opend by find itself, it is sufficient that find closes it and the
name does not e
Le 20-01-2021, à 11:20:25 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
The /proc file system is pretty interesting indeed. But I don't think
that is at the root of your strange problem.
...
My current is to find out why my system is spitting out these 'too many
symnolic links' messages and then fix it
n enough
patience :-)
I' guess so.
My current is to find out why my system is spitting out these 'too many
symnolic links' messages and then fix it.
Thanks a lot for all your explanation !
Steve
Thanks Mike and Thomas for the answers.
Le 20-01-2021, à 10:15:09 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 09:40:46AM +0100, steve wrote:
Question. What does the following mean?
# find /dev -follow -printf ""
find: '/dev/fd/4': No such file or directory
Question. What does the following mean?
# find /dev -follow -printf ""
find: '/dev/fd/4': No such file or directory
Oups, spoke too quickly.
I decreased udev log level, rebooted and the messages came back in
syslog.
ue 19 Jan 2021 at 11:15:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 04:03:14PM +0100, steve wrote:
> > It'd be interesting to know which one your startup is choking on.
>
> What does it mean more precisely? The lines come from syslog and only
> mention partitions
Le 19-01-2021, à 17:11:58 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
>It'd be interesting to know which one your startup is choking on.
What does it mean more precisely? The lines come from syslog and only
mention partitions:
Jan 19 09:09:33 box systemd-udevd[607]: sdg6: Failed to update device symlink
Le 19-01-2021, à 15:53:00 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
find /usr -follow -printf ""
find: Boucle détectée dans le système de fichiers ; « ‘/usr/bin/X11’ » est dans
la même boucle que ‘/usr/bin’.
ls -l /usr/bin/X11
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 6 mai 2013 /usr/bin/X11 -> .
find /sys -follow
Le 19-01-2021, à 14:49:36 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 07:41:13AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:03:12AM +0100, steve wrote:
> Jan 19 09:47:52 box systemd-udevd[611]: sdg5: Failed to update device
symlinks: Too many levels of symbolic li
with different kernel versions.
I have spent a lot of time trying to troubleshoot this but without any success
yet.
Help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks
Steve
Hi,
Le 08-12-2020, à 08:29:47 -0700, Fred a écrit :
Hello,
I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the
package says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it
prevents me from writing to it without running the included Bill Gates
cancerous, virus infested, scour
Darac wrote:
>On 04/12/2020 11:25, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> We finally have a cross-grading option in Debian that takes away a lot
>> of the pain:
>>
>> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/debian-crossgrader
>>
>> but it's definitely not something I
ng them as the number of i386
>installs that are worth cross-grading is probably quite low and
>decreasing daily.
We finally have a cross-grading option in Debian that takes away a lot
of the pain:
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/debian-crossgrader
but it's definitely not somethin
re feeling keen/brave would be to write an EFI
driver for Linux SW RAID. I'd expect the EDK2 folks would be very
happy if somebody wanted to do that...
I had a conversation a few years back with some guys at one large PC
vendor who were apparently considering adding firmware support like
this. Then things went quiet and I can only assume it's not
coming from them...
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k to older
modes as needed for compatibility with the controllers in your
computers.
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bit of using /dev/shm for writing temporary
trampolines for cross-language calls, and they need to be executable.
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grub already,
>2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2. Upgrade again, and you trouble should go away.
No, the only change there was a fix for EFI chainloading.
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7;s scope to get involved
or to convince existing developers to work on different stuff.
On the Pi 4, it looks like there's finally (IMHO) a good option -
using an EDK2 build in flash allows you to have a properly Free OS on
top of that, using UEFI to boot. If I had an interest in the Pi,
inserted it.
Nod. Smartlist is based on procmail, and that is keen on adding ">" to
the beginning of lines starting with "From", even when it's *not*
working on mbox-style folders.
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Armed w
Calm down Greg and after that have a look at
https://packages.debian.org/sid/approx
Thanks.
Steve
Le 12-06-2020, à 12:33:02 -0400, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 07:15:20PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> unicorn:~$ host approx
> Host approx not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
LOL. So
problem here when we added SB support until I fixed it.
>2. Do I have to change default grub.conf file in
>debian-installer/amd64/grub/grub.cfg. There are suggestions to use
>linuxefi and initrdefi instead of linux and initrd in grub.cfg .
Not at all, no. The default grub config shoul
I abandoned them. FTDI cost more, but are massively more reliable
in my experience. This is definitely a case of "you get what you pay
for".
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en more than 3 timestamps in
them.
I could change the strings in the files using an editor that supports
binary files or write a small program to do it. But I don't know if
that would corrupt the files, e.g. because of CRC for some header, or
if there are further non-ASCII timestamps that strings(1) wouldn't
find. Therefore my question if there's a tool to do it.
Steve
rmware updates later. It's
likely to be difficult to resize after the fact.
You can choose a smaller size *at your own risk*, but d-i will
complain a lot if you try to go very small, below ~32MiB.
HTH!
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: The latter will produce more
overhead as it runs the X11 protocol through the ssh tunnel.
Steve
Is there any tool in Debian that is able to change the timestamp in
video files, e.g. .mov, .avi, .mp4, etc.?
For image files I use jhead -ta but I haven't found
anything for video.
Steve
the ability to opt out of
>this chipping nonsense? Stay tuned.
This is very much off-topic for debian-user, please take it elsewhere?
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an (and will) moderate or block those people
where necessary. We value free speech, but that does *not* extend to
giving contributors a free pass to harass or abuse others.
I hope you understand that.
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Armed
been a Debian developer for over a decade, and was DPL
for a year. He understands the project, and is suggesting ways to help
engage with more people too. *I'm* not such a fan of discourse myself,
but equally mailing lists are also not popular with a lot of people.
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eft on device.
OK. Your system has run out of space to store a boot variable. These
are normally stored in NVRAM (flash) by the firmware. The most common
cause I've seen for this is error logs stored in /sys/fs/pstore/
taking up lots of space. Could you check and see if you have any files
ther
Le 24-02-2020, à 15:51:53 -0500, Dan Ritter a écrit :
steve wrote:
Hi there,
Since February 11th at 00:25:09, I am getting the following every 12
secondes:
Feb 11 00:25:09 box sshd[17733]: Connection closed by 118.126.105.120 port
54422 [preauth]
And when I say every 12 seconds, it is
/boot, and then Linux needs it
separately. Unfortunately there isn't a way for Grub to pass the
passphrase to Linux so it has to ask you again. People are looking at
ways to make this work better...
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Honor, Integrity and Loyalty. Now you don't have to be a Caesar to
concord the digital world while feeling safe and proud.
Hi there,
Since February 11th at 00:25:09, I am getting the following every 12
secondes:
Feb 11 00:25:09 box sshd[17733]: Connection closed by 118.126.105.120 port
54422 [preauth]
And when I say every 12 seconds, it is really every 12 seconds, and this
is now going on for more than 13 days, wi
ady pointed you at other options, but if you're
happy to help then I'd like to try and work out what's gone wrong here
with jigdo. I'm the maintainer. after all... :-)
Which version of jigdo are you using, please?
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erfectly well for all those years 24/7.
That particular model is limited on supported disk sizes, to 2T IIRC -
I bought one from ebay and it was no use at all.
My own choice for more SATA/SAS ports is a Highpoint RocketRAID 2720 -
8 ports on a PCIe 2.0 x8 connector. S
image as if it *should* be there, but it's not in the
>list of files. Is that an oversight, or was there a conscious
>decision to drop "mac" support with 10.3 ?
Oops, no. I think that's a bug in the code that generates that web
page. I'll fix that now.
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;"debian". Exit.
>
>Boots into Debian GNU/Linux.
>Thanks! :-)
\o/
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David wrote:
>On 2020-02-07 16:47, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>> If you *do* want to install to the removable media path too, then we
>> also support that but you have to ask for it. See
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#Force_grub-efi_installation_to
Apologies for the slow response - I've had 3 back-to-back conferences
and I'm just catching up on mail... :-/
David wrote:
>On 2020-01-30 16:47, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> OK. How exactly have you partitioned the target USB drive? What
>> files are on the EFI System Part
s for
users. We explicitly disrecommend it for that exact reason.
This is even more important with new features like UEFI and Secure Boot.
Rufus is a different matter - it has a "DD mode" which *is* useful for
writing an image to a USB stick unmolested.
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grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
>
>
>It seems /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh is missing.
You don't need to tell grub-install to use x86_64-efi-signed as a
target - it should work things out automatically and install shim
etc. as needed. There is *not* a modinfo.sh
ut I just
exec "/usr/sbin/sendmail .." for outgoing mail, and that's a
pretty common approach. <https://github.com/lumail/lumail/>
Steve
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ng the core packages that are marked as "standard" in the
Debian archive. It's a small system that you might use for a server or
in a VM where you don't want all the extra packages that the GUI
desktops use.
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imedia keys.
Steve
--
curl_easy_init@CURL_OPENSSL_4 will work with my-binary,
can I run it using that new symbol instead of the old one, i.e. don't
care about the symbol version?
Steve
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0300, goleo . wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:49 PM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 09:50:54PM +0300, goleo . wrote:
>> >Hi.
>> >
>> >After installing Debian 10 on my laptop
t;xarchiver" and choose "Mark for Removal" or
>"Mark for Complete Removal" it says it'll install Ark,
>KDE 5 Frameworks and GNUSTEP.
>
>Here is the video proof:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1IoGQP1omE
I don't see any harassment h
think of where it
>would be needed.
It's only *needed* if you're doing SB, but even if you have SB
disabled there is basically no downside to having the signed packages
installed. Things will work just fine, just taking a *tiny* bit more
disk space. Hence we've defaulted to doi
Le 26-09-2019, à 11:36:33 +, c...@riseup.net a écrit :
After applying your solution, it still does not work and gives me the
following error
apt-get autoremove
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remov
or spreading lies dis
>and mis-information about our duly elected and beloved President, Donald
>John Trump.
>
>Donald Trump will go down in history as the greatest President in the
>last 100 years, maybe more.
This has no place at all on the Debian mail
Le 09-09-2019, à 08:00:49 -0700, Marc Shapiro a écrit :
I tried to get the items from the archives suggested by other posters,
but did not find epubs. The no login required link from LJ was dead
by the time I got to it. It died fast. That is why I have this
issue. I suppose filling in thos
te for affected users, it is hard
to spin this as the company being anti-anything.
Steve
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nt (it's only metadata rewrite).
>
> AFAIK no PE should be influenced.
We have done the conversion and it worked like a charm. Also the following
massive reorganization using pvmove worked fine.
Steve
.26, supports this:
$ cat /etc/debian_version
buster/sid
$ perl -e "use Time::HiRes qw(stat);"
$ perl -e "use Time::HiRes qw(utime);"
$
What's the reason for this and can I enable utime() with nanosecond
support in Debian stretch?
Steve
ock.li. Easily blocked/ignored.
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There's no sensation to compare with this
Suspended animation, A state of bliss
is lack of randomness at boot. Check your boot
messages for "crng init done". This is biting lots of people.
If you're running a VM, look into how to share a random device from
the host.
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sing/updating boot variables via UEFI Runtime Services. You can only
set those variables up when your system is already running in UEFI
mode.
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in 'SHA512SUMS'
>
>So you know that the checksumers really detect nearly all damages of
>debian-9.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
>
>--
>
>@ Steve McIntyre (maintainer of debian-cd):
>
>Do you agree with the instructions above ?
Yes, th
Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Wednesday 27 March 2019 13:31:35 Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>> In article <201903271310.25490.ghesk...@shentel.net> you write:
>> >I pulled and burnt the netinstall, bad burn or bad checksum, but
>> > can't find the checksums for the
Is it possible to configure systemd to *not* start services in
parallel? I'd prefer deterministic boot with readable boot
messages. With parallel start, messages of different services get
intermingled and it's much more difficult to identify possible
problems.
Steve
nload.
jigdo-lite should fall back (eventually) to snapshot.debian.org and
find all its files there. Although for 9.8 (the current release!) all
the files should be on the normal mirrors already. Which files is it
not finding?
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milar
if you screwep your kernel, or firewall all traffic out.)
Steve
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te to the *parent*
directory. Writing the file itself isn't sufficient.
Steve
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more than 120 seconds.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 09:35:27AM +0100, steve wrote:
>for i in /dev/sd{b..f}; do echo "DISK: ${i}"; smartctl -l scterc "${i}"; sleep
3; done
I get this for sdb and sdc
SCT Error Recovery Control:
Read: Disabled
Write: Disabled
ginally going to be called 9.7. But then due to the major security
fix needed for apt [1] and the new installation media etc. also
needed, we decided to publish a minimal 9.7 release out of sequence
with just that change. What was going to be 9.7 became 9.8 instead.
Hi all,
Thank you for your answers. Was busy so couldn't answer before.
My system disk (with /, /usr, /boot and /boot/efi) is on a separate
(non-RAID) disk sda.
Maybe this works for you, too?
You can try:
cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5]
ttps, so that
> the router can hijack it to redirect to the login hotspot.
http://neverssl.com/
Is one site I have bookmarked. To be honest any "big" site you've
not visitted before is probably OK. (i.e. So you don't have a cached
HST setting, which would make a redirect to the TLS-version.)
Steve
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e system blocks for about 3 minutes and then I get back a hand on it.
I'm no specialist so I don't know what to do.
Any help would appreciated.
Best,
Steve
n and
>that can happen if you're not already logged into an account with enough
>access privileges on it.
No, that's the 4xx error codes - in particular 403.
Error 500 on the bugs page for src:linux is unfortunately common. In
this case, it's a timeout on the backend retriev
us reasons, often to further their own or their
>client's interests, and then are willing to fight the legal battle that may
>ensue. A lawyer expressing an opinion does not make that opinion correct /
>legal.
Correct. Lawyers' opinions are typically estimates of what *might*
happen, i
vailable for sid / Debian unstable.
Steve
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Do you know
>whether Debian has plans to follow this spec?
No plans that I've seen, no. Strikes me very much like
https://xkcd.com/927/ , to be honest.
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Who needs computer imagery when you've got Brian Blessed?
Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit :
where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the
simplest remedy for the problems.
You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally,
issues like yours do not require windows-style operation. Fo
ut too lazy
for that.
Hope it helps.
Best,
Steve
iner. Not to mention others who hit the
same problem.
Regardless it seems your problem is with the pslinux python
library which I guess is the Debian package `python-psutil`:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-psutil
Steve
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ing to send this
message is arm64 natively, but it's also set up with a small i386
installation on the same rootfs using multi-arch so I can also still
run some i386 binaries using qemu when needed. It used to be an x86
machine, but I've recently migrated to new hardware.
For cros
Le 07-12-2018, à 17:34:20 -0500, Tyler McLean a écrit :
Having this same exact series of error messages on boot and the first time
i press a key after boot. fresh debian install, latest BIOS. super
annoying. did you ever resolve this?
No, I guess it's a firmware bug, so only chance is th
ar/log/dpkg.log* too.
Steve
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> Hi.
>
> > This will need to be repeated at every reboot,
>
> No, it won't. OP has two stanzas regarding eth0 in e/n/i already - one
> for inet and another one for inet6.
You're right; I'm clearly not having a good day! Thank-you
ommand after the interface is brought up, as
per "man 5 interfaces".
Steve
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Le 23-11-2018, à 14:48:09 +0100, Martin a écrit :
Hi list members,
I have not used X11 over ssh for years now. But today is the day! And it does
not work
The remote console tells me 'Xt error: Can't open display: :0'.
X11Forwarding is enabled on client and server, 'xhost +' on the client,
ading the disk all it can
rely on are BIOS calls. Add yourself a small-ish /boot partition first
and you may be OK.
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"Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out
whether the
an
>alternative PDF joiner. I believe pdftk can do it (pdftk *pdf cat output
>out.pdf)
qpdf also works well for me, although the command line can be a little
baroque...
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"Further comment on how I feel abo
> Anybody know: am I wrong somehow; why fetchmail went away; if Buster'd
> be upset with the Stretch package?
Yup - see this bug for details:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768843
You might consider an alternative such as getmail, or isync.
Steve
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Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>Le 05/11/2018 à 22:23, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
>>
>> Sorry, netinsts are special - they only contain the installer and the
>> base system and a *very* limited set of extra packages that are
>> hand-configured.
>>
>> The base
so we
dropped them. People didn't understand that they were very tightly
tied to the archive, and if anything changed (e.g. a point release)
things would fail. The images were also already too big to fit on a
business-card sized CD.
Instead, we now see people struggling with netboot setups
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>Le 04/11/2018 à 14:52, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
>> Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>> In article you write:
>>> Le 04/11/2018 à01:23, Steve McIntyre a écrità:
>>>>
>>>> As I just wrote elsewhere, it looks like a bug in
&
dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote:
>On 11/4/18 5:45 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>>
>>> That is https://bugs.debian.org/867668.
>>
>> Yup. That's just been confirmed in #debian-ftp:
>>
>> 2018-11-04 13:41 GMT < waldi> found it. only new ove
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
In article you write:
>Le 04/11/2018 à 01:23, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
>>
>> As I just wrote elsewhere, it looks like a bug in
>> the security.d.o infrastructure. I'm chasing that now.
>
>Do you mean that all packages with Priority: stand
Sven wrote:
>On 2018-11-04 00:19 +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>
>> which suggests there may be a problem with overrides in the security
>> archive. The overrides file for security isn't available to look at
>> directly to check...
>
>Is there even an overrid
Brian wrote:
>On Sat 03 Nov 2018 at 12:29:15 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 11/3/18 8:35 AM, Brian wrote:
>> > On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 20:01:59 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 11/2/18 5:17 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> >
>>
MD5sum: aa2aa9266ed488bc57e486497dcde2b0
SHA1: 4dac8ed3ec8dd50de65ff3cb07eef1963d3e96c0
SHA256: 749a070599b56c923c514cd7b9fab6f94b01c662a9c5c93182366f81990f4d87
which suggests there may be a problem with overrides in the security
archive. The overrides file for security isn't available to
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