fonts in xemacs

2004-04-25 Thread user list
I just built a testing box that is using the 2.6.4 kernel, a matrox g200 graphics card with framebuffer compiled into the kernel. I am now working on font problems. 1. In xemacs, I can get a very nice looking font for the actual editing. However, the menu bar (where things like file, edit, etc.

One more font question

2004-04-25 Thread user list
And another thing. When gv or ggv display some postscript files (probably bitmap images) they look like shit. On my box at work, they look just fine. Any suggestions? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wierd behavior gnome search

2004-04-22 Thread user list
I just installed a testing box running the 2.6.4 kernel. I was trying to search for xemacs files, including the icons. However, the gnome search tool failed to find any files starting with xema. The standard linux find was successful. I even tried inside of /usr/bin, where xemacs resides without

Re: printing problem (mozilla 100% CPU)

2004-03-16 Thread user list
Are you using CUPS? I am on all my Debian machines. Art On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 08:34:58AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Arthur H. Edwards wrote: Just FYI, Netscape does not have the same problem. This is surprising, as they come from the same code tree. Has there been any progress here?

Syntax highlighting in Xemacs: What did I do right?

2004-03-06 Thread user list
It seems that since the beginning of time, Xemacs never performed syntax highlightin automatically when a file is loaded. On one of my machines, however, it is now doing just that. I have always had syntax highlighting in my initialization file. Does anyone know what I did right on that machine?

Re: Updating Debian in a very secure way

2004-02-24 Thread user list
I'm not sure I understand the question. Is it that you want only security updates? That is, do you wnat ot skip those upgrades that have no impact on security? Art Edwards On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 07:25:32PM +0100, Moritz Beller wrote: Hello! As already discribed in a prior posting I want to

Re: Trouble with Ensoniq 5880 in ALSA

2004-01-13 Thread user list
Thanks for the response. I actually tried that first and had the same result. I'll give it another try. Art Edwards On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:30:48PM -0600, Kent West wrote: user list wrote: I have tried to compile and insert the ALSA modules. when I issue the command insmod snd-es1371

Trouble with Ensoniq 5880 in ALSA

2004-01-12 Thread user list
I have tried to compile and insert the ALSA modules. when I issue the command insmod snd-es1371 I receive the following: Using /lib/modules/2.4.20snd1/alsa/snd-ens1371.o /lib/modules/2.4.20snd1/alsa/snd-ens1371.o: /lib/modules/2.4.20snd1/alsa/snd-ens1371.o: unresolved symbol snd_pcm_new

Re: apt-get testing HELP please

2004-01-12 Thread user list
Your sources.list must have testing repositories,i. e. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free and you must issue: apt-get update If you want to use testing as the default release, in apt.conf you should have a line APT::Default-Release testing; I hope this helps.

Re: mail-check

2004-01-09 Thread user list
at 02:04:02PM -0700, user list wrote: When I recently updated testing, I lost the mail-check in gnome. Is there something to replace this? It should be part of gnome-applets. Another to add to the list: gbuffy http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/gbuffy/ Although I've never been able

mail-check

2004-01-08 Thread user list
When I recently updated testing, I lost the mail-check in gnome. Is there something to replace this? It should be part of gnome-applets. Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

lkm trojan

2003-12-22 Thread user list
I just ran chkrootkit on one of my machines at it turned up the following: Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed How do I diagnose this further, and if there is an LKM trojan, how do I remove it? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: lkm trojan

2003-12-22 Thread user list
Never mind. I just googled lkm and found that this is a false positive. Yes, I did check /proc. Art Edwards On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 08:38:59AM -0700, user list wrote: I just ran chkrootkit on one of my machines at it turned up the following: Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden

Re: base64 translation

2003-12-02 Thread user list
Thanks very much for the reply. The file is powerpoint. I will try your first suggestion since a. I don't know perl (yet?) and b. I know nothing of base64 encoding. Art Edwards On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 01:01:29PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:

dhclient

2003-12-01 Thread user list
I'm running a testing laptop and I'm trying to use dhclient (as I have in previous incarnations of this testing laptop). When I invoke dhclient, I receive a message saying: socket: Protocol not available - make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel configuration. So I

Big fonts again

2003-11-17 Thread user list
I have been struggling with fonts, with some success, for the last few months. Now I have fonts that have nice shapes, but are HUGE. I'm running a testing box. I have a .gtkrc.min file that looks like this. style gtk-default-iso-8859-1 { fontset =

Re: Big fonts again

2003-11-17 Thread user list
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:06:06PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:13:56AM -0700, user list wrote: I have been struggling with fonts, with some success, for the last few months. Now I have fonts that have nice shapes, but are HUGE. I'm running a testing box. I

workspace switcher

2003-11-11 Thread user list
I would like to set my workspace switcher once and keep it for all futer sessions (the way it worked in gnome 1.4). Any suggestions? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

AMD/AGP bug

2003-11-07 Thread user list
I have chatted with people at AMD about the AGP bug and they contend that it is fixed in the in 2.4.20 kernel. Is this true in the debian 2.4.20 kernel sources package? My machine still hangs randomly, and when it does, XFree86 is running at ~98% cpu. Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

AMD 64 and Debian

2003-11-07 Thread user list
At an opteron presentation, AMD said that Debian was doing some wierd things. with the AMD-64 distribution. Are you doing things differently than Red Hat did? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Desktop hostname?

2003-11-07 Thread user list
I use exim on every one of my debian machines. Did you let it know to use a smart-host? You probably need to know the name of the mail server at our ISP. Regarding your hostname, you can specify what you email address should be (usually set by your ISP). The local host name shouldn't matter.

Re: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers

2003-11-07 Thread user list
Speaking of Reader Rabbit, has anyone gotten any of the educational games running under wine? Art Edwards On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 02:52:38PM -0800, Daniel Miller wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:

Re: Gnome2 in Testing

2003-08-14 Thread user list
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 12:04:34PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 01:50:04AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:11:02AM -0500, Christopher L. Everett wrote: Can anyone tell me if Gnome in Testing is anywhere near usable? When I last looked it

apt-get nightmare

2003-08-01 Thread user list
I'm trying to upgrade a laptop and I get the following error. Removing gnome-control-center dpkg: error processing gnome-control-center (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127 Any insight would be appreciated. Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Compilation failure for make bzImabe

2003-06-16 Thread user list
I'm attempting to make a 2.4.20 image and I get the following errors under makd bzImage DKBUILD_BASENAME=ide_cd -c -o ide-cd.o ide-cd.c In file included from ide-cd.c:318: ide-cd.h:440: error: long, short, signed or unsigned used invalidly for `slot_ta blelen' make[3]: *** [ide-cd.o] Error 1

Re: Very wierd behavior on new nodes

2003-01-13 Thread user list
Thanks for replying. I have memtest now working on one of the nodes. We are usint the K7VTA3 Mainboard motherboard. Does anyone have experience with this board? Thanks Art Edwards On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 09:59:07PM +0100, Frank Gevaerts wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 01:19:46PM -0700, Art

K7VTA3 Mainboard socket A motherboards

2003-01-13 Thread user list
This is a follow up to the wierd behavior on new nodes. I am testing memory with memtest86 and, so far, I'm finding nothing wrong. These machines die at random placesin a job. where they die doesn't follow any logical pattern. Are there any pathologies with this main board. Art Edwards -- To

Re: 3c90x drive

2003-01-07 Thread user list
We have recently had similar behavior. However, we found that even though the we received installation failed messages, it actually worked. During the device driver configuration step, are you also installoing pci-scan? When I did this on a recent install, the apparent failure vanished. Art

fonts in Star Office (RESOLVED) [kind of]

2002-06-11 Thread user list
I posted a problem on this list roghly 1.5 weeks ago about missing fonts in Star Office. To recap, I am running XF86 4.2.0 compiled from source on a testing box. Star office was missing many fonts. I was given some advice to add fonts using spadmin. I tried that with no results. I have now used

Re: fonts in Star Office (Why do they fail under Woody?)

2002-06-06 Thread user list
Thanks for the response. Does anyone know WHY this fails for XFree86 4.2 and Woody? Art On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Florentin Ionescu wrote: Try spadmin - fonts - add It worked for me. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, user list wrote : » Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:26:50 -0600 » From

Re: Debian: abandon ship?

2002-06-06 Thread user list
Hi, I just thought I'd add my $.02, or what ever is the appropriate monetary conversion, in this inevitable discussion. First, I am a user. I write in fortran by choice, c and c++, in the past when I was teaching, by necessity. I am not a systems programmer so my contribution to Debian would,

fonts in Star Office

2002-06-05 Thread user list
I have been reading the threads on fonts on this list. My problem seems similar, yet different. Star Office doesn't find many of the standard fonts, including coates/home/edwardsaFailed to load font -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--19-0-0-0-p-*-iso8859-1 Please verify your fontpath settings

Getting off the list

2002-06-05 Thread user list
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 07:23:44PM +0200, prover wrote: I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. MY MAIL IS : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] IS ONLY FORWARD FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]). WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. reply with unsubscribe

Re: ATI Radeon 7000

2002-05-24 Thread user list
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 04:48:30PM +1200, James Kahn wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 14:02, user list wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 09:55:32AM +1200, James Kahn wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 08:52, Mike Frisch wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:29:58PM -0500, Brandt Dusthimer wrote: Hrm

Re: xemacs problems

2002-05-24 Thread user list
I'm also having trouble with fonts on my newset machine in xemacs21. Specifically, I only get the courier font in the body of the file no matter what font I choose. the font does change for the line at the bottom of the file that starts ISO8 I checked the version number and it's the same (XEmacs

Re: ATI Radeon 7000

2002-05-23 Thread user list
hoping for too much?) Again, thanks for the links. Art Edwards On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:53:41PM +0200, Andreas Eichner wrote: Am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2002 06:00 schrieb user list: 2. Has anyone had success with an ATI radeon 7000 card with 4.2? If the answer is yes, is there a debian package

Re: ATI Radeon 7000

2002-05-23 Thread user list
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 09:55:32AM +1200, James Kahn wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 08:52, Mike Frisch wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:29:58PM -0500, Brandt Dusthimer wrote: Hrm... so your saying that there is no support for the 7500 in 4.1? http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status6.html

ATI Radeon 7000

2002-05-22 Thread user list
I've now discovered that even in unstable, xfree86 is at version 4.1. I'm looking to use 4.2 because, stupidly, I bought an ATI radeon 7000. According to Xfree86, it's supported. However, I was unable to get it recognized. So, my questions are 1. Has anyone had success with an ATI radeon 7000

Re: ATI Radeon 7000

2002-05-22 Thread user list
Thanks for the reply. I did try the ati driver but I'm guessing that the card is actually a Radeon 7500 or higher. I'll be able to determine that today. Again, thanks. Art On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 03:06:54PM +0200, Vaclav Hula wrote: On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:00:36PM -0600, user list wrote

Re: apt-get sources

2002-05-21 Thread user list
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:08:24PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 08-May-2002 Rick Weinbender wrote: Hi, I fairly new to Debian Linux and was wondering if any of you have some alternative apt-get sources for running 'apt-get upgrade'. I'm running stable version 2.2 r3. In my

Using pinning with apt-get

2002-05-21 Thread user list
I would like to have apt-get pull down only xfree-86 from unstable onto what is now a purely testing machine. Does anyone know how to do this? Art edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using pinning with apt-get

2002-05-21 Thread user list
? Again, thanks for the response. Art Edwards On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 09:40:13PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2002 19:55:07 -0600 user list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to have apt-get pull down only xfree-86 from unstable onto what is now a purely testing machine

eeyes conflicts with gnome-panel-data in testing

2002-05-09 Thread user list
I am doing a fresh update from potato (first 2.2 CD's) to testing and I have the following problem: Preparing to replace eeyes 1:0.3.11-5 (using .../eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement eeyes ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb

Re: eeyes conflicts with gnome-panel-data in testing

2002-05-09 Thread user list
Sorry for this really dumb question. the icon is pretty trivial. However, this looks like a bug that could lead to kvetching by newbies so I'll file a bug report. Again, I apologize for my density. Art Edwards On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:27:56AM -0600, user list wrote: I am doing a fresh

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

2002-03-15 Thread user list
This will be a bit of a long message to bear with me. To keep your interest I will tell you straight off that this is not, I repeat NOT, a free speech issue. I will explain why below. I first want to point out that the package maintainer is a whole lot more reasonable than most people on this

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

2002-03-14 Thread user list
This whole discussion is really a bit adolescent. The joke is racist. It is about being black. If this sort of crap stays in the distribution, it goes off of all of my machines. I am both deeply offended and deeply embarrassed that Debian has no more sense than to put this stuff on everyone's

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2002-03-14 Thread user list
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Re: Slow list?

2002-03-14 Thread user list
I've also noticed that everything in news/mail is slower. In my paranoid fashion I'm guessing that the US government is doing a lot of email filtering. There is a lot of foreign traffic on this site (one of its advantages) but probably an attraction for surveillance. Just a guess. Art Edwards

installation of libgnomeprint-data crashes in postinstall

2002-03-13 Thread user list
I was doing a dist-upgrade on testing today. When apt-get got to libgnomeprint-data it seg faulted during the post-installation script. Can anyone give a hint about this problem? Art Edwards

Re: DVD players under Linux (was: Re: 2.4 kernels with potato and Movie players)

2002-03-11 Thread user list
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 08:46:48PM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: On Mar 10 2002, user list wrote: Thanks for responding to my question. (...) I have upgraded my box to woody (testing) and I've installed mplayer. That's good. Did you also use xine for watching the movies? I'd

Re: can't start x after woody upgrade

2002-03-11 Thread user list
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 08:45:19PM -0500, Chris Jenks wrote: I know that this has been covered recently, or at least I think it has, but I was not able to find it in the archives after 2 hours of reading (probably just couldn't find the right thread). I went from 2.2r3 to 2.2r5 to Woody,

Re: DVD players under Linux (was: Re: 2.4 kernels with potato and Movie players)

2002-03-10 Thread user list
Thanks for responding to my question. On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:13:57PM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: On Mar 05 2002, user list wrote: I'm thinking of installing a 2.4 kernel on a potato box. Is there any problem with stability? Well, you'll have to upgrade some packages first

Re: Upgrading to testing with broken potato dselect?

2002-03-10 Thread user list
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 09:44:09AM +, Martin Edward John Waller wrote: Hello, I have potato with XFree 4.1 installed. But whenever I run dselect now, it insists on removing XFree4.1 (which I need for my video card). If i change my sources.list to point to testing and do apt-get

Re: I killed X11 (potato-to-woody)

2002-03-07 Thread user list
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:19:44PM -0700, user list wrote: So I'm in some very deep trouble. I upgraded Xfree86 to the 4.1 level in potato without making a debian package. Then, when I tried to install xine from the testing tree I hosed the system. I have now done a complete system upgrade

Zope in testing

2002-03-07 Thread user list
I have a fairly stable testing box with a 2.4.16 kernel. However Zope refuses to start. Can anyone advise? Thanks, Art Edwards

I killed X11 (potato-to-woody)

2002-03-06 Thread user list
So I'm in some very deep trouble. I upgraded Xfree86 to the 4.1 level in potato without making a debian package. Then, when I tried to install xine from the testing tree I hosed the system. I have now done a complete system upgrade to testing and everything works except X11 (a big exception). When

2.4 kernels with potato and Movie players

2002-03-05 Thread user list
I'm thinking of installing a 2.4 kernel on a potato box. Is there any problem with stability? Also, I'm trying to install a DVD player. What is the best linux player with debian? Art Edwards

Re: The future of Debian install??

2002-03-05 Thread user list
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 04:46:23PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 05-Mar-2002 Michael Marziani wrote: I've installed debian quite a few times and it's not a big deal, but every once in a while I wish it would just auto-detect my network card, graphics card, etc just to save me the

Re: ssh and private resources?

2002-03-02 Thread user list
Depending on the version of ssh the ssh_config and sshd_config files can be in /etc or in /usr/local/etc. There is a line, usually commented that says # ForwardX11 yes Try uncommenting this line. Art Edwards On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 04:10:34PM -0500, Michael A. Miller wrote: I'm having

Re: x-forwarding with ssh

2002-03-01 Thread user list
A couple of comments. 1. If you have root access on the server machine, you can edit the ssh_config and sshd_config files to turn on X11Forwarding. You should also do that on your machine. If this is done, I have had it the case that X forwarding has not required setting up the DISPLAY

Why Debian (HELP!!!)

2002-03-01 Thread user list
Thanks for the discussion. It brings up the status of ximian gnome. Does this have exactly the same licensing as Debian? Also, does anyone know if there is a bug report list for ximian? As I posted last night, the dist-upgrade apparently removed the keyboard on my laptop (Acer 342T). While the

Re: Why Debian?

2002-03-01 Thread user list
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 08:38:58AM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Johan van der Walt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020301 00:06]: I am a physicist in the School of Physics of the Potchefstroom University in South Africa and is one of a few people on campus using Linux. Have been using Linux now for a

exit[139]

2001-06-03 Thread user list
I'm trying to find a list of exit codes for g77, which I'm guessing is the same as gcc. Can anyone point me to a document with a list of even cryptic labels. Ideally, I'd like someone to tell me what exit code 139 means. Art Edwards

Re: fonts

2001-02-21 Thread user list
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:24:09PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 01:00:39PM -0700, user list wrote: I'm sure this is an old question but gv and ghostview give me the following error when I try to load a file with an .eps graphics file embedded What do you mean

fonts

2001-02-20 Thread user list
I'm sure this is an old question but gv and ghostview give me the following error when I try to load a file with an .eps graphics file embedded Error: /invalidfontAladdin Ghostscript: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 in findfont Operand stack: --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 6

A panicked plea

2001-02-19 Thread user list
OK, this is really stupid, and there is probably nothing I can do. I inadvertantly deleted the directory (are you ready?) /var/lib/dpkg. Is there any way to put this back together short of reinstalling? Art Edwards

acrobat reader as netscape plugin

2001-01-23 Thread user list
I would like to use the acrobat reader as a plugin for Netscape. I have placed nppdf.so in the /usr/lib.../plugins directory with the other plugin. When I plugins using About plugins, it tells me that the plugin is where I want it, but that it is not enabled. Am I doing this correctly? If I am,

Re: can't ssh into box anymore

2001-01-19 Thread user list
What was the exact message you received? Art Edwards On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 12:42:49PM -0500, John F. Davis wrote: Hello I did a apt-get upgrade which restarted ssh and now I can't ssh into my box anymore. I keep getting a invalid password response. I can however login to the box via

Re: Windows Hyperterm alternative for Linux

2001-01-13 Thread user list
I have used seyon successfully for dialup. It also works well for communicating with my cisco router. Art Edwards On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Frank Rocco wrote: Hello, Can someone point me to a program that does the same thing as the Windows HyperTerm program? Thanks

Re: Why choose Debian?

2001-01-13 Thread user list
WARNING WARNING WARNING! This is very long-winded. You can skip to the last paragraph. My trajectory to debian actually started when I got out of Grad school (1981) and decided that I wanted to do calculations at home. My first home machine was a Kaypro with two (count them!) floppy drives

WOT: Hotmail mail servers

2001-01-11 Thread user list
I have just heard a rumor that the hoemail mail servers are not MS exchange servers but, rather, linux mail servers. Is this true? If so, is this well known? we are fighting a guerrilla action over this where I work. I'm on a unix server that never has problems while the rest of the institution

Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?

1999-04-21 Thread debian-user list
On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 10:05:00AM +0100, Graham Ashton wrote: On Tuesday 20 April, Richard Harran wrote: Would I see a performance increase if I made sure my linux partition was on the outside of my disk? Would I be even better putting my swap partition as far out as possible? the

diald + ipmasq + samba

1998-08-23 Thread debian-user list
Hello. I'm trying to set up a debian 2.0 box as a server in a small office, using samba to serve files to a few win95 boxes, and ipmasq and diald to connect to the rest of the world via modem, intermittantly. I can get each of the parts to work individually without trouble, but various things go

Re: PCMCIA question

1998-06-15 Thread Debian User List Account
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Ian Stuart wrote: To get a PCMCIA card to work, you need to remake the kernel, and the PCMCIA modules, and then reinstall the kernel. For this, you'll need the kernel source and the pcmcia source. installing the kernel source is ok (2.0.32-5 from hamm), but how should