2008/5/9 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
>> > would gain me nothing. I'm glad utf-8 (et al) finally exists for
>>
>> If you are talking alian character support bloating data size, it is not
>
> Actually, no. I'm more concer
Sorry this's so late. Discovered a new mailbox.
Incoming from Osamu Aoki:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 03:57:19PM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
> > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
> > > no other disadvantage, and
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 07:09:44PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> I'm cc-ing the bug report you have opened. Anybody who answers this bug
> should also read the thread that has followed the original message, as
> it contains many other useful details.
I hope I included the essential in the bugrepo
"Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> What about man aptitude? Under Command Line Options, the first line, I
> see:
> ... begin with a hyphen ("\fB-\fR")
>
> And, under "The following actions are available", each heading has the
> same thing, e.g.:
>
> \fBinstall\fR
This is def
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 09:17:53PM -0500, Kevin Buhr wrote:
> "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > wrong. Lang=C. I don't have any locales installed. This is regular
> > stock VT (no fonts, etc).
>
> Well, let's put it this way. Create a text file named "test.1"
> containing the
I'm cc-ing the bug report you have opened. Anybody who answers this bug
should also read the thread that has followed the original message, as
it contains many other useful details.
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:15:37PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:50:27PM +0300, Dotan Co
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 07:52:22PM -0500, Kevin Buhr wrote:
> Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Interesting, I have:
> > LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
> > and in /etc/console-tools/config
> > SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16
> > With that setup, Dotan Cohen's line looks like solid black squares
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 07:03:39PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> Since the linux console can only display alphabetic characters, and
> Hebrew probably looks like a lot of "squiggles", then I very much doubt
> it is possible to see any Hebrew in the Linux console.
Some hits from
linux console
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 07:52:22PM -0500, Kevin Buhr wrote:
> Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Interesting, I have:
> > LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
> > and in /etc/console-tools/config
> > SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16
> > With that setup, Dotan Cohen's line looks like solid black squares
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 01:31:28PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/5/6 Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
> >
> > I am running an UTF-8 locale and the above still like gibberish.
> >
>
> Thank you, that is actually very important inform
"Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> The problem isn't the manpage author, it's your setup.
>>
>> Specifically, you're using a locale that sports UTF-8 encoding, but
>
> wrong. Lang=C. I don't have any locales installed. This is regular
> stock VT (no fonts, etc).
Well, let's
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 05:47:36PM -0500, Kevin Buhr wrote:
> "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > What gets me is when a man page is written in english and "'" gets
> > translated as "?", as in can?t or "'" is a square white blob (on a
> > regular VT). Why couldn't whoever wrote
Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Interesting, I have:
> LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
> and in /etc/console-tools/config
> SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16
> With that setup, Dotan Cohen's line looks like solid black squares
> separated by dashes.
You mean this is happening on the Linux consol
"Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> What gets me is when a man page is written in english and "'" gets
> translated as "?", as in can?t or "'" is a square white blob (on a
> regular VT). Why couldn't whoever wrote it in english have used the
> standard english "'" glyph instead of a
2008/5/6 Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 02:23:41PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> Check that "en_NZ.UTF-8" is a legal locale on your machine, and that
>> it should not be "en_NZ.utf8". The -a flag on the locale command will
>> show you. On my machine, the "utf" lett
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 02:23:41PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
> Check that "en_NZ.UTF-8" is a legal locale on your machine, and that
> it should not be "en_NZ.utf8". The -a flag on the locale command will
> show you. On my machine, the "utf" letters are lowercase:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale -a
2008/5/6 Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Interesting, I have:
>
>LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
>
> and in /etc/console-tools/config
>
>SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16
>
> With that setup, Dotan Cohen's line looks like solid black squares
> separated by dashes.
>
> An
>
>apt-get install fon
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:10:29PM +0100, Bob Cox wrote:
> On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 00:01:05 +0300, Dotan Cohen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> wrote:
>
> > 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > $ mutt -v
> > > Mutt 1.5.17 (2007-11-01)
> >
> > Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There
2008/5/6 Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> I am running an UTF-8 locale and the above still like gibberish.
>
Thank you, that is actually very important information for me. I know
that you don't know Hebrew, but page
http://gibberish.
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:49:44AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> You are 100% correct, Andrei. See those Hebrew letters at the bottom
> >> of every post I make? It's to build a database of wrongly-encoded
> >
> > No. I didn't trim anything from what y
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NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:20:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
>> The problem, if one exists, is what font the terminal is using
>> sudo apt-get install xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib
>
> What about the linux
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 09:08:57AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:20:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> I am running mutt with mlterm (multilingual terminal) and it doesn't
> show correctly. I experimented with
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:20:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> The problem, if one exists, is what font the terminal is using
> sudo apt-get install xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib
What about the linux console?
I suspect that the answer will be that the linux console is right now
no
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:20:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew.
>
> Mutt works fine. The problem, if one exists, is what font the
> terminal is using in which mutt is running. The font must support
> UTF-8 or it can't display those
Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew.
Mutt works fine. The problem, if one exists, is what font the
terminal is using in which mutt is running. The font must support
UTF-8 or it can't display those characters properly. If someone is
using a classic 9x15 ASCII font for
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 00:17:09 +0300, Dotan Cohen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 2008/5/6 Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, and
> >> I have it buried in my notes somewhere if you really need it. But
> >> unless you communicate in H
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 12:12:46AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 12:01:05AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > $ mutt -v
> > > Mutt 1.5.17 (2007-11-01)
> >
> > Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, a
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 12:17:09AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/5/6 Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, and
> >> I have it buried in my notes somewhere if you really need it. But
> >> unless you communicate in Hebrew, it is not wor
2008/5/6 Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, and
>> I have it buried in my notes somewhere if you really need it. But
>> unless you communicate in Hebrew, it is not worth the trouble.
>
> It all looks ok from here using mutt. I am seein
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 12:01:05AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > $ mutt -v
> > Mutt 1.5.17 (2007-11-01)
>
> Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, and
> I have it buried in my notes somewhere if you really need it. But
> unl
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 00:01:05 +0300, Dotan Cohen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > $ mutt -v
> > Mutt 1.5.17 (2007-11-01)
>
> Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, and
> I have it buried in my notes somewhere if you reall
2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> $ mutt -v
> Mutt 1.5.17 (2007-11-01)
Ah, Mutt is known not to work with Hebrew. There is a workaround, and
I have it buried in my notes somewhere if you really need it. But
unless you communicate in Hebrew, it is not worth the trouble.
Dotan Cohen
h
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:50:27PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Is this a joke or am I missing something obvious? (wikipedia only shows
> > a Hebrew diacritic, Patach, that looks like a dash)
> >
>
> No, no joke. What system are you on? Even your rep
2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Is this a joke or am I missing something obvious? (wikipedia only shows
> a Hebrew diacritic, Patach, that looks like a dash)
>
No, no joke. What system are you on? Even your replies have the Hebrew
quoted properly.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.c
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:49:44AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> You are 100% correct, Andrei. See those Hebrew letters at the bottom
> >> of every post I make? It's to build a database of wrongly-encoded
> >
> > No. I didn't trim anything from what y
2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> You are 100% correct, Andrei. See those Hebrew letters at the bottom
>> of every post I make? It's to build a database of wrongly-encoded
>
> No. I didn't trim anything from what you wrote. What am I missing?
>
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 10:02:03AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> You are 100% correct, Andrei. See those Hebrew letters at the bottom
> of every post I make? It's to build a database of wrongly-encoded
No. I didn't trim anything from what you wrote. What am I missing?
> Hebrew when people reply,
2008/5/5 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Here is an argument for you: using ascii is delaying the adoption of
> utf-8.
>
> Let me elaborate. Romanian is using a few special characters (a,i,s and
> t with diacritics) which are only available in utf-8 (and maybe
> iso-8852-16?). To make things
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:00:53AM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > s. keeling wrote:
> > > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >> Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
> > >
> > > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm
Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Character_Set
> http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch09.en.html#thelocale
Thanks, noted.
--
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.htm
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/4/26 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
>
> For you, there is no real reason to switch. However, there are those
> who use proprietary encodings such as cp-* who's mail ends up as
> g
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> s. keeling wrote:
> > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
> >
> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual [Anglophone]. utf-8
>
> Even if you used a language with
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 04/26/08 09:34, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/4/26 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
> >>
> >> Anglo*phile* or anglo*phone*?
> >
> > He likes to have sex with the English, apparentl
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/4/26 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
> >
> > Anglo*phile* or anglo*phone*?
>
> He likes to have sex with the English, apparently.
It's a fair cop, and you say that as if it's a
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 04/26/08 08:57, s. keeling wrote:
> >
> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
>
> Anglo*phile* or anglo*phone*?
Um, yes, the latter. I'm a little shocked I said that. Nice catch.
Perfidious Albion, but anglophone rega
2008/4/26 Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My native spoken language is American English. (Saying it that way
> because lately I more typically interact with computers via the
> keyboard using the C and Ruby and POSIX shell languages. :-)
>
> But I prefer UTF-8. Why? Because typeset Engli
s. keeling wrote:
> Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
> would gain me nothing. I'm glad utf-8 (et al) finally exists for
> those of you who who can use it or need it. However, it's irrelevant
> here. I only know English, and can puzzle out some words in other
>
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On 04/26/08 09:34, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/4/26 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
>>
>> Anglo*phile* or anglo*phone*?
>>
>
> He likes to have sex with the English, apparently
Hi,
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 03:57:19PM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
> Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
> > no other disadvantage, and even the diskspace arguement doesn't
> > count for much unless your drive is mostly unco
2008/4/26 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
>
> Anglo*phile* or anglo*phone*?
>
He likes to have sex with the English, apparently.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-
2008/4/26 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Anglophile. utf-8
> would gain me nothing. I'm glad utf-8 (et al) finally exists for
> those of you who who can use it or need it. However, it's irrelevant
> here. I only know English, and can puzz
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On 04/26/08 08:57, s. keeling wrote:
> Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
>> no other disadvantage, and even the diskspace arguement doesn't
>> count for much unless your drive is
s. keeling wrote:
> Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
>> no other disadvantage, and even the diskspace arguement doesn't
>> count for much unless your drive is mostly uncompressed text files.
>>
>
> Why would I be _f
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Why are you against switching to UTF-8? Disk space? There really is
> no other disadvantage, and even the diskspace arguement doesn't
> count for much unless your drive is mostly uncompressed text files.
Why would I be _for_ switching? I'm a unilingual Ang
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 04/25/08 21:13, s. keeling wrote:
> > Sorry for the thread snatch.
> >
> > I'm (usually*) reading d-u in slrn via the mail to news gateway
> > linux.debian.user. I've seen this before and I'm wondering if there's
> > anything I can do about it, other than
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On 04/26/08 07:14, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 26/04/2008, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> T24gRnJpLCBBcHIgMjUsIDIwMDggYXQgMTo1OCBQTSwgR2lsbGVzIE1vY2VsbGluIDxnaWxsZXMu
>> >>
>> bW9jZWxsaW5AZnJlZS5mcj4Kd3JvdGU6Cgo+IExlIEZyaWRh
On 26/04/2008, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> T24gRnJpLCBBcHIgMjUsIDIwMDggYXQgMTo1OCBQTSwgR2lsbGVzIE1vY2VsbGluIDxnaWxsZXMu
> >>
> bW9jZWxsaW5AZnJlZS5mcj4Kd3JvdGU6Cgo+IExlIEZyaWRheSAyNSBBcHJpbCAyMDA4IDE1OjUw
> >>
>
> I do not think the problem is with UTF-8. If it were
s. keeling wrote:
> Sorry for the thread snatch.
>
> I'm (usually*) reading d-u in slrn via the mail to news gateway
> linux.debian.user. I've seen this before and I'm wondering if there's
> anything I can do about it, other than going utf-8 myself (I've no
> need for it (I think)).
>
>
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> On 04/25/08 21:13, s. keeling wrote:
> > Sorry for the thread snatch.
> >
> > I'm (usually*) reading d-u in slrn via the mail to news gateway
> > linux.debian.user. I've seen this befo
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On 04/25/08 21:13, s. keeling wrote:
> Sorry for the thread snatch.
>
> I'm (usually*) reading d-u in slrn via the mail to news gateway
> linux.debian.user. I've seen this before and I'm wondering if there's
> anything I can do about it, other than g
Sorry for the thread snatch.
I'm (usually*) reading d-u in slrn via the mail to news gateway
linux.debian.user. I've seen this before and I'm wondering if there's
anything I can do about it, other than going utf-8 myself (I've no
need for it (I think)).
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