Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Katipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's right. > I had a Dodge 245 HD. Just a little one and a half tonner, but I > remember thinking that everybody that gets a licence should go through > a probationary period driving something like that, before they are > permitted to drive one of those litt

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread Katipo
Steve Lamb wrote: Pigeon wrote: Indeed. Passing bike test should be a necessary condition for taking car test. Nah, I'd be content with people having 6 mo. over the road experience in an 18-wheeler. That taught me more about driving than my years on my various bikes ever did. First bei

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 04:24:31PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Pigeon writes: > > Passing bike test should be a necessary condition for taking car test. > > Bike test? As in motorbike. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread John Hasler
Pigeon writes: > Passing bike test should be a necessary condition for taking car test. Bike test? -- John Hasler You may treat this work as if it [EMAIL PROTECTED] were in the public domain. Dancing Horse HillI waive all rights. Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBS

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Pigeon wrote: Indeed. Passing bike test should be a necessary condition for taking car test. Nah, I'd be content with people having 6 mo. over the road experience in an 18-wheeler. That taught me more about driving than my years on my various bikes ever did. First being that the idiots are e

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 06:23:46PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Erik Steffl wrote: > > what about us who learned how to drive outside of california? would > >there be a possiblility to get a not-a-moron certificate? > > Nope. And it isn't California, it's everywhere. If you've only driven >

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Number Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hopefully this restores a teensy bit of European pride to regulate > America's "big bad" and they'll get their subconscious inferiority > complex stroked. I think America's the one with the inferiority complex. Among the worst access to health care, few

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Number Six
> The headline was "War on Windows"! As a sociological phenomenon, the whole "let's sue Microsoft" gestalt smacks of petulance: far and away the Internet primarily serves humanity as a provider of jerk-off material. Oh! Myrtle! Save us! We simply *must* fix this horror of horrors! The big b

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Erik Steffl wrote: >> what about us who learned how to drive outside of california? >> would there be a possiblility to get a not-a-moron certificate? > > Nope. And it isn't California, it's everywhere. If you've only > driven vehicles w/4 wheels t

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Steve Lamb
Erik Steffl wrote: what about us who learned how to drive outside of california? would there be a possiblility to get a not-a-moron certificate? Nope. And it isn't California, it's everywhere. If you've only driven vehicles w/4 wheels then the moron clause applies. -- Steve C. L

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > what about us who learned how to drive outside of california? would > there be a possiblility to get a not-a-moron certificate? Yeah, it's called a non-Californian driver's license. Even the guys with total

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:28:31PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:37:10AM -0800, Number Six wrote: >> > Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a linux lover now, so >> > I cheer

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Erik Steffl
Paul Johnson wrote: "Simmel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LOL I like that one! But both of you forget one thing! repeat offenders get higher fines! So next time MS isn't watching their "speed" and they get caught, the fine will get bigger, everytime that is.. Me think, Me likes that :-) actu

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:28:31PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:37:10AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > > Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a linux lover now, so > > I cheer if it goes up and I cheer if it goes down, I was expecting > > Europe to really nail Mi

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Paul Johnson
Christian Schnobrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So what remains? Licensing. If the licenses are too expensive, or in any > other way not acceptable, the competition commision may stage an encore. > That's slow and cumbersome, but I don't think this step may be omitted. They should have done th

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Number Six
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:30:00AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christian Schnobrich wrote: > >Forcing MS to simply make it public would effectively nationalize some > >of MS' assets -- I doubt that such a step would be legally possible in > >the EU. > > Then what, exactly, does one call nationa

Re: AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Paul Johnson
"Simmel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > LOL I like that one! But both of you forget one thing! repeat offenders get > higher fines! So next time MS isn't watching their "speed" and they get > caught, the fine will get bigger, everytime that is.. Me think, Me likes > that :-) I wish it worked l

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Steve Lamb
Christian Schnobrich wrote: Forcing MS to simply make it public would effectively nationalize some of MS' assets -- I doubt that such a step would be legally possible in the EU. Then what, exactly, does one call nationalizing a few hundred million be called? Money is somehow less of an asset

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread H. S.
Apparently, _Katipo_, on 03/23/04 17:41,typed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont really know but while we are on the topic of microsoft vs linux i heard that lots of computers are being sold in asia with linux installed on them instead of winblows Message posted via www.linuxforums.org . Yes

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread John Hasler
Schnobs writes: > Forcing MS to simply make it public would effectively nationalize some of > MS' assets Interface specifications are not protected by patent or copyright, and publication is not nationalization. They could retain their copyrights on the specification documents. > I doubt that su

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Christian Schnobrich
On Mit, 2004-03-24 at 02:16, John Hasler wrote: > The only part that matters is the part about interfaces and formats. If > they are allowed to "license" those rather than publish them the whole > thing is nearly meaningless. Somehow you're right, but then again... what could they do? Forcing M

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread John Hasler
Lou writes: > They may not like it, however, with over $50 billion in cash reserves > paying a $600 million fine is sort of like a normal person paying a > speeding ticket. I wrote: > A $5000 speeding ticket. > Don't understand how you figure that... I'm relating it to average net profit. > Per

AW: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-24 Thread Simmel
-Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Louis Losee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Marz 2004 06:12 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU * John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-23 23:25]: > Lou writes: > >

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Number Six
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:23:24PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Lou writes: > > They may not like it, however, with over $50 billion in cash reserves > > paying a $600 million fine is sort of like a normal person paying a > > speeding ticket. > > A $5000 speeding ticket. I had an unusual experienc

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Lou Losee
* John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-23 23:25]: > Lou writes: > > They may not like it, however, with over $50 billion in cash reserves > > paying a $600 million fine is sort of like a normal person paying a > > speeding ticket. > > A $5000 speeding ticket. Don't understand how you figure t

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread John Hasler
Lou writes: > They may not like it, however, with over $50 billion in cash reserves > paying a $600 million fine is sort of like a normal person paying a > speeding ticket. A $5000 speeding ticket. -- John Hasler You may treat this work as if it [EMAIL PROTECTED] were in

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Lou Losee
* Matthew Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-23 19:39]: > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 2:37 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [OT] Microsoft's teeny puni

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread John Hasler
ScruLoose writes: > My understanding is that the main point of the ruling was not so much the > dollar amount of the fine, but the ruling that MS must unbundle Media > Player AND open up all the undocumented 'features' and 'standards' in > Windows so that competitors' apps get a level playing field

RE: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Matthew Joyce
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 2:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU > > > Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread ScruLoose
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:37:10AM -0800, Number Six wrote: > Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a linux lover now, so > I cheer if it goes up and I cheer if it goes down, I was expecting > Europe to really nail Microsoft to the wall. I dunno, I expected some > surrogate America

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Katipo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont really know but while we are on the topic of microsoft vs linux i heard that lots of computers are being sold in asia with linux installed on them instead of winblows Message posted via www.linuxforums.org . Yes, H.P. are installing Turbolinux into Asia. Reg

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Bruce Miller
On March 23, 2004 14:14, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Number Six wrote: > > Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a linux lover > > now, so I cheer if it goes up and I cheer if it goes down, I was > > expecting Europe to really nail Microsoft to the wall. I dunno, I > > expected some surr

Re: [OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Number Six wrote: Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a linux lover now, so I cheer if it goes up and I cheer if it goes down, I was expecting Europe to really nail Microsoft to the wall. I dunno, I expected some surrogate America-bashing, or just a really f-you to an American c

re:[OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread users
i dont really know but while we are on the topic of microsoft vs linux i heard that lots of computers are being sold in asia with linux installed on them instead of winblows Message posted via www.linuxforums.org . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscrib

[OT] Microsoft's teeny punishment by the EU

2004-03-23 Thread Number Six
Even though I still have a bunch of stock, and I'm a linux lover now, so I cheer if it goes up and I cheer if it goes down, I was expecting Europe to really nail Microsoft to the wall. I dunno, I expected some surrogate America-bashing, or just a really f-you to an American company. Even thou