Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/11/07 19:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] > I am a citizen of the country. I have right to employment for which I am > qualified. Disabilities must be accomodated by the employer. If you That's the big difference between Canada and the US

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:04:44PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > [massive snippage] > OK. We'll just agree to disagree. I won't completely rehash my views (I've expressed them plenty already). Suffice to say that I think that is *completely* wrong for a government to be involved in prov

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:34:18PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:17:04PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > I am a citizen of the country. I have right to employment for which I am > > qualified. Disabilities must be accomodated by the employer. If you > >

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:17:04PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > I am a citizen of the country. I have right to employment for which I am > qualified. Disabilities must be accomodated by the employer. If you Do you also have a right to be provided healthcare? What about education? Wha

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:57:29PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:42:00PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:10:28PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > > > Seriously, if a business is not accessible to someone, that person is > > >

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:42:00PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:10:28PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > Seriously, if a business is not accessible to someone, that person is > > free to patronize a business that is willing to cater. > > But what if none d

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:10:28PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:26:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 05/11/07 11:08, Amy Templeton wrote: > Seriously, if a business is not accessible to someone, that person is > free to patronize a business that is willing to

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:26:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/11/07 11:08, Amy Templeton wrote: > > > access to certain forms of expression. Similarly, white people are > > well-established as "in charge" in, say, the corporate world. > > Although thanks to affirmative action there are now

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/11/07 11:08, Amy Templeton wrote: > Calejar wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: There are those of us who believe that claims of discrimination became trite many years ago. >> Amy Templeton wrote: >>> I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subt

Re: [OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 11 May 2007 12:08:08 -0400 Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calejar wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > There are those of us who believe that claims of > > > > discrimination became trite many years ago. > > > > > Amy Templeton wrote: > > > I'm inclined to disagree; it is m

[OT] Terminology [was: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)]

2007-05-11 Thread Amy Templeton
Calejar wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > There are those of us who believe that claims of > > > discrimination became trite many years ago. > > > Amy Templeton wrote: > > I'm inclined to disagree; it is more subtle now, but it still > > exists. Do some reading on the concepts of privilege and >