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In <20101108224106.2c5c2...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:05:43 -0600, Boyd wrote in message ><201011080305.48486@iguanasuicide.net>: >> (aptitude search '~E') should give you a list of "essential" > >..define "essential", in our Experimental context. ;o) From

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On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:05:43 -0600, Boyd wrote in message <201011080305.48486@iguanasuicide.net>: > In <20101108050349.1bf5c...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:25:53 -0600, Boyd wrote in message > ><201011071826.00774@iguanasuicide.net>: > >> (Really, some require

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On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:05:43 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > In <20101108050349.1bf5c...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:25:53 -0600, Boyd wrote in message > ><201011071826.00774@iguanasuicide.net>: > >> (Really, some required parts of Debian are simply missin

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On Friday 05 November 2010 12:50:08 Klistvud wrote: > and Debian ... [snip] having a particularly slow release schedule   > (yep, while many complain about that, I consider it as being one of   > Debian's strongest points; go figure) +1 or can I cheat and make that +2?? I see that as very much o

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In <20101108050349.1bf5c...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:25:53 -0600, Boyd wrote in message ><201011071826.00774@iguanasuicide.net>: >> (Really, some required parts of Debian are simply missing from >> experimental, so it isn't possible to install *just* experimental.

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:25:53 -0600, Boyd wrote in message <201011071826.00774@iguanasuicide.net>: > On Sunday 07 November 2010 18:16:39 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:35:48 -0600, Boyd wrote in message > > <201011070235.48667@iguanasuicide.net>: > > > In <20101106225444.0fb2

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On Sunday 07 November 2010 18:16:39 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:35:48 -0600, Boyd wrote in message > <201011070235.48667@iguanasuicide.net>: > > In <20101106225444.0fb26...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > >On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:57:28 -0500, John wrote in message > > ><87lj

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:35:48 -0600, Boyd wrote in message <201011070235.48667@iguanasuicide.net>: > In <20101106225444.0fb26...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:57:28 -0500, John wrote in message > ><87lj57y4x3@thumper.dhh.gt.org>: > >> Arnt Karlsen writes: > >> >

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ZephyrQ wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:18:04, John Hasler wrote: Drew writes: Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade individual packages as needed and do an occasional dist-upgrad

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In <20101106225444.0fb26...@a45.fmb.no>, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:57:28 -0500, John wrote in message ><87lj57y4x3@thumper.dhh.gt.org>: >> Arnt Karlsen writes: >> > ..IME, it's "Unstable", it and "Experimental" doesn't quite live up >> > to the expectations of adrenaline kicks

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On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:36:23 -0500, John wrote in message <87bp62xeoo@thumper.dhh.gt.org>: > I wrote: > > Don't try to install Experimental, though. It is not intended to > > be a complete distribution: just an archive for experimental > > packages. > > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > ..why not?

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I wrote: > Don't try to install Experimental, though. It is not intended to be a > complete distribution: just an archive for experimental packages. Arnt Karlsen writes: > ..why not? Progress takes _somebody_ pushing forward, and, Chuck > Yeager made it thru ok in his Experimental rides. ;o) Ye

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:57:28 -0500, John wrote in message <87lj57y4x3@thumper.dhh.gt.org>: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > ..IME, it's "Unstable", it and "Experimental" doesn't quite live up > > to the expectations of adrenaline kicks you want from these PR'y > > buzzwords. ;o) > > Don't try to i

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On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:43:34AM -0500, ZephyrQ wrote: > Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM: > >> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > >> which other distribution would you use and why? > > > > What situation are you in that motivate

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

Dne, 05. 11. 2010 23:30:19 je Kamaraju S Kusumanchi napisal(a): Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 05. 11. 2010 15:10:44 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a): > >> No. That's NOT what those who know and love Debian stable want. The >> lack of >> upstream changes is one of the main reasons I use stable

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Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 05. 11. 2010 15:10:44 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a): > >> No. That's NOT what those who know and love Debian stable want. The >> lack of >> upstream changes is one of the main reasons I use stable on servers. > > +1 > You can say that again. > +2 Seriously! I d

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:53:05 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Celejar writes: > > Someone who was doing ordinary stable upgrades would see the warnings > > in the release notes, but it was pretty easy to get bitten by this if > > you were just tracking Sid. > > Which is why you should not "track" Sid

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Celejar writes: > Someone who was doing ordinary stable upgrades would see the warnings > in the release notes, but it was pretty easy to get bitten by this if > you were just tracking Sid. Which is why you should not "track" Sid at all. Since any DD can upload to it at any time (that is what "un

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:50:08 +0100 Klistvud wrote: ... > Among the distros I did try out - Knoppix, Ubuntu, OpenSuSE, Mandriva, > and some minor ones - there is not a single one I'd be willing to > revert to. I guess there's a reason I'm staying with Debian after all > ;-) ... Ideological

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:19:55 +0200 Andrei Popescu wrote: ... > I don't recall the last time sid was broken so that manual intervention > was needed to get the system running, but individual applications can > have annoying bugs. Let's consider something like the kernel switch to the libata dri

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:19:55 +0200 Andrei Popescu wrote: ... > I don't recall the last time sid was broken so that manual intervention > was needed to get the system running, but individual applications can > have annoying bugs. I've been using Sid for years, and while it's usually perfectly u

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Arnt Karlsen writes: > ..IME, it's "Unstable", it and "Experimental" doesn't quite live up to > the expectations of adrenaline kicks you want from these PR'y > buzzwords. ;o) Don't try to install Experimental, though. It is not intended to be a complete distribution: just an archive for experimen

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I hate to ask the question this way, but in terms of problems/fixes/downtime--approximately how often do you find that you have to 'fix' something in Sid? 1x week, 1x month? (I know that my MMV, but if I start playing with either testing or unstable, I don't want to get into a problem/find fix

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:17:12 -0400, Andrew wrote in message <4cd403d8.50...@walrusgroup.com>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/5/10 8:56 AM, John Hasler wrote: > > ZephyrQ writes: > >> Lately, though, Debian seems 'stale'. > > > > If you are talking about a desktop an

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I really want Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familiar icons, on my screen, not the goofy clones that Debian has come up with. Why not install Firefox and Thunderbird in /opt? I was looking to replace SuSE 10.1, because it wouldn't play music; none of the SuSEs I have had ever would. That'

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ZephyrQ writes: > I hate to ask the question this way, but in terms of > problems/fixes/downtime--approximately how often do you find that you > have to 'fix' something in Sid? 1x week, 1x month? Once every year or two (but I use neither Gnome nor KDE). The fix usually consists of waiting for a

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> I hate to ask the question this way, but in terms of > problems/fixes/downtime--approximately how often do you find that you > have to 'fix' something in Sid? 1x week, 1x month? (I know that my > MMV, but if I start playing with either testing or unstable, I don't > want to get into a problem/f

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On 05 Nov 2010, ZephyrQ wrote: > > I hate to ask the question this way, but in terms of > problems/fixes/downtime--approximately how often do you find that you > have to 'fix' something in Sid? 1x week, 1x month? (I know that my > MMV, but if I start playing with either testing or unstable, I do

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On 05/11/10 15:54, ZephyrQ wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:18:04, John Hasler wrote: Drew writes: Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade individual packages as needed and do an occ

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On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:54:23, ZephyrQ wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:18:04, John Hasler wrote: > >> Drew writes: > >>> Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. > >> Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade > >> individual pa

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On Fri November 5 2010 08:54:23 am ZephyrQ wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:18:04, John Hasler wrote: > >> Drew writes: > >>> Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. > >> > >> Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade > >>

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On 05/11/10 02:50, ZephyrQ wrote: If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? Since I don't use debian for everything and it depends what I'm doing, I can't really answer that. For firewalls, load balancers, routers (wher

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Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:18:04, John Hasler wrote: >> Drew writes: >>> Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. >> Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade >> individual packages as needed and do an occasional dist-upgrade if y

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On Vi, 05 nov 10, 10:18:04, John Hasler wrote: > Drew writes: > > Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. > > Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade > individual packages as needed and do an occasional dist-upgrade if you > feel the need to cl

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Drew writes: > Consider installing apt-listbugs if you're going to run sid. Good point. Also, don't feel that you should "track" Unstable. Upgrade individual packages as needed and do an occasional dist-upgrade if you feel the need to clean things up. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

Dne, 05. 11. 2010 15:10:44 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a): No. That's NOT what those who know and love Debian stable want. The lack of upstream changes is one of the main reasons I use stable on servers. +1 You can say that again. -- Cheerio, Klistvud

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:10:44 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Friday 05 November 2010 08:13:41 Camaleón wrote: >> > Thirdly, the policy of no new upstream versions after release isn't >> > changed for volatile. (It is changed for volatile-sloppy.) >> >> And that is what people wants to

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

On Friday 05 November 2010 08:13:41 Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 07:54:29 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > In , Camaleón wrote: > >>On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:30:11 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >>> There is a third choice, I guess: Ship firefox / thunderbird in > >>> non-free

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/5/10 8:56 AM, John Hasler wrote: > ZephyrQ writes: >> Lately, though, Debian seems 'stale'. > > If you are talking about a desktop and want to be on the bleeding edge > use Unstable. It's quite usable. Consider installing apt-listbugs if you'r

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 07:54:29 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In , Camaleón wrote: >>On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:30:11 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >>> There is a third choice, I guess: Ship firefox / thunderbird in >>> non-free. Support for non-free is best-effort, which basically means

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ZephyrQ writes: > Lately, though, Debian seems 'stale'. If you are talking about a desktop and want to be on the bleeding edge use Unstable. It's quite usable. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact li

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In <4cd3ede6.20...@sbcglobal.net>, ZephyrQ wrote: >Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM: >>> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), >>> which other distribution would you use and why? >> >> What situation are you in that motivates this questi

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In <20101105090054.gc4...@wasteland.homelinux.net>, Jochen Schulz wrote: >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: >> In <4cd3921a.5090...@optonline.net>, Doug wrote: >>> One thing I >>> really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I really >>> want >>> Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familia

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

In , Camaleón wrote: >On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:30:11 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> There is a third choice, I guess: Ship firefox / thunderbird in >> non-free. Support for non-free is best-effort, which basically means >> that if upstream is willing to fix it then the security team / >> mai

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Dne, 05. 11. 2010 12:50:14 je ZephyrQ napisal(a): > gNewSense. > How stable/solid is it? I've looked at it and am intrigued... I must have misunderstood your question. I have never tried gNewSense, I was just pointing out that, personally, the only distros I would be willing to try out a

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Hello, On 05/11/10 19:43, ZephyrQ wrote: Stan Hoeppner wrote: ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM: If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? What situation are you in that motivates this question? Not a specific

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Dne, 05. 11. 2010 12:43:34 je ZephyrQ napisal(a): I realize that Debian's 'stableness' contributes to its 'staleness', It doesn't just "contribute". There's a reason why there's only a small "b" of difference between "staleness" and "stableness". -- Cheerio, Klistvud

Anyone compile Thunderbird (was: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:))

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:04:46 +, Chris wrote: > > >> How about "volatile"? :-? > >> > >> ClamAV packages are there for that precisely reason (they need to be > >> updated -security fixes- very often). > >> > > Why not simply grab the package fr

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Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 05. 11. 2010 03:50:07 je ZephyrQ napisal(a): >> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), >> which other distribution would you use and why? > > gNewSense. > How stable/solid is it? I've looked at it and am intrigued... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

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Stan Hoeppner wrote: > ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM: >> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), >> which other distribution would you use and why? > > What situation are you in that motivates this question? Not a specific situation, merely an exploration. I

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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:04:46 +, Chris wrote: >> How about "volatile"? :-? >> >> ClamAV packages are there for that precisely reason (they need to be >> updated -security fixes- very often). >> > Why not simply grab the package from mozilla and install under /opt Sent It lacks system integrat

Re: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

Why not simply grab the package from mozilla and install under /opt Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Camaleón Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:38:21 To: Subject: Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:) On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:30:11 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith

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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: > In <4cd3921a.5090...@optonline.net>, Doug wrote: >> >> One thing I >> really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I really >> want >> Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familiar icons, on my screen, not the >> goofy clones that Debian has come up with

Mozilla products in Debian (was: A question for the list:)

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:30:11 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: (...) > There is a third choice, I guess: Ship firefox / thunderbird in > non-free. Support for non-free is best-effort, which basically means > that if upstream is willing to fix it then the security team / > maintainers will pac

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> > > If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > > which other distribution would you use and why? > Occasionally PClinuxOS on desktops, and occasionally CentOS in server room. Regards Roman

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Dne, 05. 11. 2010 03:50:07 je ZephyrQ napisal(a): If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? gNewSense. Failing that, anything from http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html -- Cheerio, Klistvud

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:12:42 -0700, David Christensen wrote: (...) > SuSE -- I've tried SuSE a few times over the years. Administration is > via GUI's. I prefer Bash, Vim, and RCS/CVS. openSUSE is one of the bests distributions for command line users :-) (running YasT in ncurses is a pleasure

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:50:07 -0500, ZephyrQ wrote: > If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > which other distribution would you use and why? I've using openSUSE for many years... rock solid, mature, a very good - and skilled- community of users, and perfect for work

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ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM: > If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > which other distribution would you use and why? What situation are you in that motivates this question? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

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ZephyrQ wrote: If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? Red Hat -- I learned Linux on Red Hat. It worked fine up through version 7.3. 8 had problems. 9 was worse. Red Hat went commercial and turned their back on e

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In <4cd3921a.5090...@optonline.net>, Doug wrote: >On 11/04/2010 10:50 PM, ZephyrQ wrote: >> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), >> which other distribution would you use and why? > >One thing I >really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I reall

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On 11/04/2010 10:50 PM, ZephyrQ wrote: If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? If I wanted the Debian style without Debian, I would use Ubuntu, after I modified it to look more like Debian--black letters on white m

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If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c

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ZephyrQ wrote: > If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > which other distribution would you use and why? If Debian didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature