Richard Hector wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:38 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I was thinking to let my firewall
run on a CF drive. The last one served for 10years, so ...
Your firewall can probably run with near-0 writes (or even with exactly
0 writes), so your CF will easily last
I was thinking to let my firewall
run on a CF drive. The last one served for 10years, so ...
Your firewall can probably run with near-0 writes (or even with exactly
0 writes), so your CF will easily last centuries.
Especially if you can use a syslogd on another machine.
Or use busybox's
an issue with the flash drives is their life cycle. they support about
10 writes or so in average - there was article I read recently
For large enough drives, 10 writes will take several years
of constant write access. So I wouldn't worry about it.
Well several years is not very
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:38 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I was thinking to let my firewall
run on a CF drive. The last one served for 10years, so ...
Your firewall can probably run with near-0 writes (or even with exactly
0 writes), so your CF will easily last centuries.
Especially if you
Stefan Monnier wrote:
an issue with the flash drives is their life cycle. they support about
10 writes or so in average - there was article I read recently
For large enough drives, 10 writes will take several years
of constant write access. So I wouldn't worry about it.
an issue with the flash drives is their life cycle. they support about
10 writes or so in average - there was article I read recently
For large enough drives, 10 writes will take several years
of constant write access. So I wouldn't worry about it.
Stefan
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Stefan Monnier wrote:
PS: typically flash memory is made up of eraseblocks that are much
larger than a disk block, so depending on the way your flash key works,
writing a single block (512bytes) of your disk may end up doing read
the surrounding eraseblock; erase it, rewrite it with the new
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:27 +, Aneurin Price wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 11:19 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after
--- On Tue, 10/3/09, Lydgate deb...@tenebrific.ath.cx wrote:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130477
On ebuyer it's called a Plexus V 500VA. I've read
elsewhere that this
is marketed under different brands/names. In the states I
think it
might be branded and sold by Fry's Electronics.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:27 +, Aneurin Price wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 11:19 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Does
Steven,
As Aneurin has pointed out, you seem to have responded to the wrong
thread, that doesn't relieve the confusion for those of us who use a list
reader which threads correctly. And that is a part of what you are
complaining about. I expect that you've reacted emotionally, and that is
human
The message doesn't -tell- you what to do, but what I think one should
do is plug in the USB drive again and do fsck on the device. When fsck
runs, in immediately reruns the journal and fixes metadata
inconsistencies.
Mounting the device would have done the same thing (even if mounted
Stefan:
The original post for this thread was a user asking whether to use ext2
or ext3 on a removable USB HD.
I know. And I strongly recommend ext3 over ext2 for such a use, for the
reasons explained. Feel free to disagree. But the fact is that ext3
was specifically designed to be always
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 17:15:44 Stefan Monnier wrote:
So, yes, unplugging your USB key while it's still mounted is to be
avoided, and even more so while it's being written to.
The OP asked about about a USB external HDD, not a key. I have not tested the
theory, but I have always
Lisi Reisz wrote:
I have not tested the
theory, but I have always understood that keys are particularly vulnerable.
To physical damage if pulled out prematurely, not just damage to the
filesystem.
Why so?
Johannes
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On Wednesday 11 March 2009 17:43:33 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
I have not tested the
theory, but I have always understood that keys are particularly
vulnerable. To physical damage if pulled out prematurely, not just damage
to the filesystem.
Why so?
As I say, I have
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 17:43:33 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
I have not tested the
theory, but I have always understood that keys are particularly
vulnerable. To physical damage if pulled out prematurely, not just damage
to the filesystem.
Why so?
As
So, yes, unplugging your USB key while it's still mounted is to be
avoided, and even more so while it's being written to.
The OP asked about about a USB external HDD, not a key. I have not
tested the theory, but I have always understood that keys are
particularly vulnerable. To physical
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 11:19 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after having to spend time repairing the system and/or rebuilding
it or losing data they most likely don't anymore.
Even if you're careful, you'll
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 09:10 +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 05:15, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after having to spend time repairing the system and/or rebuilding
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 11:19 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after having to spend time repairing the system and/or
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 6:10 AM, lists l...@fiwwi.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 09:10 +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 05:15, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:38:25PM +, Aneurin Price wrote:
That's not a realistic answer. A decent UPS is likely to cost as much
as the computer.
Sorry to derail the thread, but my recent experience with a UPS costing
30 GBP and which uses the megatec_usb driver for NUT suggests
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Lydgate deb...@tenebrific.ath.cx wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:38:25PM +, Aneurin Price wrote:
That's not a realistic answer. A decent UPS is likely to cost as much
as the computer.
Sorry to derail the thread, but my recent experience with a UPS
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 04:07:05PM +, Aneurin Price wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Lydgate deb...@tenebrific.ath.cx wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:38:25PM +, Aneurin Price wrote:
That's not a realistic answer. A decent UPS is likely to cost as much
as the computer.
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 11:15:43PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Journaling uses significantly more disk space and does not allow for deleted
file recovery.
Neither is true. I believe you're confusing log-structured file systems
and journalled file systems.
ext2 - for backup,
Paul E Condon:
I had pretty much decided the other way, but this, plus ... The drive is
already ext3, and wikipedia article mentions problems with reverting back
to ext2, which I would have to do. So, I've decided to not change,
--- for now ---
I didn't read the article, but ext3
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 21:31:15 -0600, Paul E Condon
(pecon...@mesanetworks.net) wrote:
On 2009-03-08_23:15:43, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Journaling uses significantly more disk space and does not allow for
deleted
file recovery.
Neither is true. I believe you're confusing
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 05:15, Steven Demetrius
steven.demetr...@fiwwi.com wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after having to spend time repairing the system and/or rebuilding
it or losing data they most likely don't anymore.
Power
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:31:15 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
That is a pretty persuasive argument. I can see the plug being pulled by
accident fairly often in the long run. ;-)
Suggest you mount that drive with the sync option. Might make it a little
less likely that you'll pull the plug while
ext2 is problematic for removable drives because if you remove the drive
without cleanly unmounting it you risk losing your data. So I would
recommend ext3 for such uses. Performance is rarely an issue, actually.
I use ext3 for my external USB drive. Does this mean that I can remove
it
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after having to spend time repairing the system and/or rebuilding
it or losing data they most likely don't anymore.
Even if you're careful, you'll still occasionally lose power, and your
machine will still
On 2009-03-09_11:19:38, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Does anyone here power off their computer without first shutting it down?
Maybe, but after having to spend time repairing the system and/or rebuilding
it or losing data they most likely don't anymore.
Even if you're careful, you'll still
On 2009-03-08_12:58:14, Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
one be ext3, also?
On 2009-03-08_13:41:53, Lists wrote:
Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
one be
Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-08_12:58:14, Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-08_13:41:53, Lists wrote:
Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3,
On 2009-03-09_09:20:06, Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-08_13:41:53, Lists wrote:
Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write
Journaling uses significantly more disk space and does not allow for deleted
file recovery.
Neither is true. I believe you're confusing log-structured file systems
and journalled file systems.
ext2 - for backup, removable, partitions rarely used, etc.
ext2 is problematic for removable
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:15:43 -0400
Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
...
ext2 is problematic for removable drives because if you remove the drive
without cleanly unmounting it you risk losing your data. So I would
recommend ext3 for such uses. Performance is rarely an issue,
On 2009-03-08_23:15:43, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Journaling uses significantly more disk space and does not allow for deleted
file recovery.
Neither is true. I believe you're confusing log-structured file systems
and journalled file systems.
ext2 - for backup, removable, partitions
On 2009-03-08_23:25:53, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:15:43 -0400
Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
...
ext2 is problematic for removable drives because if you remove the drive
without cleanly unmounting it you risk losing your data. So I would
recommend ext3 for
Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-09_09:20:06, Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-08_13:41:53, Lists wrote:
Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs,
Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-08_23:25:53, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:15:43 -0400
Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote:
...
ext2 is problematic for removable drives because if you remove the drive
without cleanly unmounting it you risk losing your data. So I would
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
one be ext3, also? Doesn't ext3 essentially write everything twice,
first to the journal, and
On 2009-03-07 21:30 +0100, Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
one be ext3, also?
That would be okay,
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
one be ext3, also? Doesn't ext3 essentially write everything twice,
Steven Demetrius wrote:
Paul E Condon wrote:
I'd like some confirmation, or refutation, of some reasoning:
I have a USB external hard drive. It came with vfat fs, but I want to
write an ext2/3 fs on it. All my internal HD are ext3, but should this
one be ext3, also? Doesn't ext3 essentially
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