On Wed 18 Nov 2020 at 13:03:13 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:18:33PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> > David Wright composed on 2020-11-18 09:46 (UTC-0600):
> >
> > > IIRC the Release Notes usually
> > > recommend upgrading the kernel (its minor version upgrade) early
> >
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:18:33PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
David Wright composed on 2020-11-18 09:46 (UTC-0600):
IIRC the Release Notes usually
recommend upgrading the kernel (its minor version upgrade) early
in the distribution upgrade process.
I don't recall ever seeing that. Curious.
David Wright composed on 2020-11-18 09:46 (UTC-0600):
> IIRC the Release Notes usually
> recommend upgrading the kernel (its minor version upgrade) early
> in the distribution upgrade process.
I don't recall ever seeing that. Curious.
Even though all my own installations are in multiboot, for
On Mi, 18 nov 20, 09:46:04, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 17 Nov 2020 at 17:43:43 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > Depending on when in the release cycle the dist-upgrade is done the
> > newer kernel image may not even be available yet
>
> All the kernels listed above are available now. The
On Tue 17 Nov 2020 at 17:43:43 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 17 nov 20, 09:24:05, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sun 15 Nov 2020 at 10:41:55 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > > > On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > >
> > >
On Ma, 17 nov 20, 09:24:05, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 15 Nov 2020 at 10:41:55 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > > On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about
On Sun 15 Nov 2020 at 10:41:55 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >
> > > I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
> > > easy as they can since:
> > > jessie installs
On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
>
> >
> > I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
> > easy as they can since:
> > jessie installs with 3.16 but 4.9 is also available,
> > stretch installs with 4.9 but
Charles Curley writes:
> True. But it does require emacs. Which in the context of the OP's
> requirement, stands for "Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping" :-)
It was "eight Megs and constantly swapping": eight Megs was huge on a
Vax.
In the 90s I ran text-mode Emacs on a 386 box with 16M with no
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 14:41:40 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Charles Curley writes:
> >And has the further virtue of not requiring a GUI, only ncurses.
>
> Gnus doesn't even require ncurses.
True. But it does require emacs. Which in the context of the OP's
requirement, stands for "Eighty Megs And
Charles Curley writes:
>And has the further virtue of not requiring a GUI, only ncurses.
Gnus doesn't even require ncurses.
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Miroslav Skoric composed on 2020-11-14 17:02 (UTC+0100):
> I understood from this thread that after distro upgrade
> from 8 to 9 shall work in CLI, and then look for a simple window manager
> & light mail processor.
I can't imagine why it wouldn't work. Last night I performed a fresh
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 12:49:05 -0500
Dan Ritter wrote:
> In my opinion, mutt is the best mail user agent of all. It's
> also one of the most efficient.
And has the further virtue of not requiring a GUI, only ncurses.
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Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> On 11/12/20 9:53 AM, Michael Lange wrote:
>
> In any case, I understood from this thread that after distro upgrade from 8
> to 9 shall work in CLI, and then look for a simple window manager & light
> mail processor.
In my opinion, mutt is the best mail user agent of
On 11/13/20 3:52 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Beware that LTS support for jessie ended in June 2020.
https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
That system should be upgraded to some release with security support as
soon as possible, especially since it's dealing with e-mail as far as I
understand
On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
easy as they can since:
jessie installs with 3.16 but 4.9 is also available,
stretch installs with 4.9 but 4.19 is also available,
buster installs with 4.19
so there's full
On 11/12/20 9:53 AM, Michael Lange wrote:
A really good option in this field is IceWM. It has everything a typical
user needs out-of-the-box and is extremely lightweight (and themeable).
From my own experience I agree about that.
Still, the tricky part will be to choose other gui programs
> The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
> gets used or over-used, and the machine locks.
AFAIK this is not a common problem. There's a known problem in ZFS that
exhibits this behavior, and IIRC there could be similar problems in the
past if you tried to swap
On Fri 13 Nov 2020 at 16:52:41 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 13 nov 20, 14:06:52, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > On 11/13/20 12:12 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> > > Miroslav Skoric writes:
> > > > On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old
On 2020-11-13 17:09, Dan Ritter wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:20 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
Something ate it. Weird. d...@randomstring.org is correct.
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Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
> gets used or over-used, and the machine locks. Without even a warning
> message. Linux always behaved that way. BSD-derived OS's running on the
> very same commodity Intel hardware dont have
The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
gets used or over-used, and the machine locks. Without even a warning
message. Linux always behaved that way. BSD-derived OS's running on the
very same commodity Intel hardware dont have that problem. Among my fellow
system
The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
gets used or over-used, and the machine locks. Without even a warning
message. BSD-derived OS's running on the very same commodity Intel hardware
dont have that problem. Why does linux?
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:20 AM Dan
Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> I guess Im not the only crank with antique hardware. One of my few unending
> beefs with the linux kernel is swap behavior. Everyone knows what it's for
> and how it "works". But even glancing thru the code doesn't explain its
> real-time run-time behavior. In contrast,
I guess Im not the only crank with antique hardware. One of my few unending
beefs with the linux kernel is swap behavior. Everyone knows what it's for
and how it "works". But even glancing thru the code doesn't explain its
real-time run-time behavior. In contrast, the last time I had swap issues
On Vi, 13 nov 20, 14:06:52, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> On 11/13/20 12:12 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
>
> > Miroslav Skoric writes:
> >
> > > On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is
> > > > important to
> > > > test if the new
> When it happens, I'll probably play the same 'upgrade game' with the next
> 'elderly' candidate (CPU Athlon XP 2500+ 1.84 GHz, 512 MB RAM). I purchased
> it some ten years ago as then second-hand, for some 70 US$, incl. CRT
> display, keyboard, mouse ... I have recently upgraded it from Deb 8 to
On 11/13/20 12:12 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Miroslav Skoric writes:
On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is
important to
test if the new kernel will still support them.
So maybe I shall try some newer kernel only?
If you have an
On 11/13/20 2:36 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have been only cursorily following here, since I don't use debian, but
I wonder if you might
consider upgrading your mother board to a new one the same size and
shape, with
a faster processor and probably more ram. Then the latest version of deb
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:01:19PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> At first, I wondered whether Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM, would
> make it even bootable after upgrading 8 to 9. (Without any GUI, if needed to
> be removed before the upgrade).
Yes, it will boot, assuming the upgrade is
On Jo, 12 nov 20, 23:01:19, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
>
> At first, I wondered whether Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM, would
> make it even bootable after upgrading 8 to 9. (Without any GUI, if needed to
> be removed before the upgrade).
>
> And when bootable, what GUI might be workable at
On Jo, 12 nov 20, 15:07:48, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:40:50 +0100
> Miroslav Skoric wrote:
>
> > I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM)
> > running ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very
> > slow after starting GUI. I wonder
On 11/12/20 4:52 PM, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
On 11/11/20 7:42 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running
ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after
starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 23:01:19 +0100
Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> And when bootable, what GUI might be workable at best (Mate,
> Xfce, ...)? As I said, for nothing much more than occasional
> Thunderbird, or any other compatible mail client that can use the
> CLI-based ham email server (FBB), to
Felix Miata writes:
Miroslav Skoric composed on 2020-11-12 23:01 (UTC+0100):
> At this stage (Debian 8) I do that in MATE + Thunderbird. It's slow but
> works. What is not known is whether that would work in Debian 9.
Possibly you could boot live media 9 to find out, or if you have enough
Miroslav Skoric writes:
On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is important to
test if the new kernel will still support them.
So maybe I shall try some newer kernel only?
If you have an easy means to do that: Yes, I would highly
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:40:50 +0100
Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM)
> running ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very
> slow after starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try
> (if possible at all) to
Miroslav Skoric composed on 2020-11-12 23:01 (UTC+0100):
> At this stage (Debian 8) I do that in MATE + Thunderbird. It's slow but
> works. What is not known is whether that would work in Debian 9.
Possibly you could boot live media 9 to find out, or if you have enough disk
space
available,
On 11/11/20 7:42 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running
ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after
starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at
all) to upgrade it to Debian 9. Any
On 11/11/20 9:43 PM, Charles Curley wrote:
I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM)
running ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very
slow after starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try
(if possible at all) to upgrade it to Debian 9.
On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
Upgrading to a newer release is not likely to make it faster. If anything,
it'll be slower (due to increased memory demands of newer software).
That's something I have already experienced with previous upgrades. But
it was always in full GUI
On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is important
to test if the new kernel will still support them.
So maybe I shall try some newer kernel only?
Hi,
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 23:36:07 -0300
riveravaldez wrote:
> On 11/11/20, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Charles Curley composed on 2020-11-11 13:43 (UTC-0700):
> >
> >> Also consider a lightweight desktop such as XFCE. But I would
> >> be surprised if that solution helped.
> >
> > Why do people keep
On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 5:24:49 AM GMT+8, Felix Miata
wrote:
Celeron is a budget family of Intel processors, based upon Pentium II, III, 4
and
newer Pentium processors. Pentium II Celeron means a Celeron based upon the
Pentium II family, the oldest family of Celerons.
OP probably
On 11/11/20, Felix Miata wrote:
> Charles Curley composed on 2020-11-11 13:43 (UTC-0700):
>
>> Also consider a lightweight desktop such as XFCE. But I would
>> be surprised if that solution helped.
>
> Why do people keep claiming XFCE is a lightweight?
>
Charles Curley composed on 2020-11-11 13:43 (UTC-0700):
> Also consider a lightweight desktop such as XFCE. But I would
> be surprised if that solution helped.
Why do people keep claiming XFCE is a lightweight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk
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Long Wind composed on 2020-11-11 20:44 (UTC):
>On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 1:45:18 AM GMT+8, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running...
>...PS: Pentium II and Celeron are two processors.
Celeron is a budget family of Intel
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:40:50 +0100
Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM)
> running ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very
> slow after starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try
> (if possible at all) to
Miroslav Skoric composed on 2020-11-11 17:40 (UTC+0100):
> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running
> ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after
> starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at
> all) to
Miroslav Skoric writes:
I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running ham
radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after starting
GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at all) to
upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 05:40:50PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running ham
> radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after starting
> GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at all) to
>
I have an old comp (CPU Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM) running
ham radio server in Debian 8. It works well in CLI, but very slow after
starting GUI. I wonder whether it would be worth to try (if possible at
all) to upgrade it to Debian 9. Any experience with such old boxes?
Misko
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