Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-30 Thread Wilko Fokken
As a Frisian, living at the North Sea: on clay, surrounded by reeds, I relished every single bit of spit between both long standing 'Multies' [multinationals] of the Antique. I am convinced, this poetic dispute will, in the long run, enliven even the fiercest 'Fachidiot' clinging ever tighter to

What an intriguing post: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:59:55 +0200 Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de wrote: As a Frisian, living at the North Sea: on clay, surrounded by reeds, Wilko, this is so creative, so cute, so humorous, so on-topic, and so necessary, especially the part about a death camp, that I'm overwhelmed trying to

Re: What an intriguing post: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-30 Thread Brian
On Sun 30 Mar 2014 at 11:39:48 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:59:55 +0200 Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de wrote: As a Frisian, living at the North Sea: on clay, surrounded by reeds, Wilko, this is so creative, so cute, so humorous, so on-topic, and so necessary, especially

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-30 Thread Miles Fidelman
Papyrus? Clay Tablets? Personally, I'm a big fan of truly old school, tried-and-true methods - delay line, otherwise known as word of mouth. Just keep copies of those files bouncing around the net forever. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-20 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 09:32:37 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-03-19, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: As I've come to realise, sound advice for anything imortant. Even then you can only work within the technology of the time. I've come to realise that giving advice (sound or

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-20 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 21/03/14 08:42, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 09:32:37 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-03-19, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: As I've come to realise, sound advice for anything imortant. Even then you can only work within the technology of the time.

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-03-19, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: As I've come to realise, sound advice for anything imortant. Even then you can only work within the technology of the time. I've come to realise that giving advice (sound or otherwise) is a safe activity, seeing that hardly anyone

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: The

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 18/03/14 20:54, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 21:50:18 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 20:54, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Mr Queue
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 16:54:48 -0500 Mr Queue li...@mrqueue.com wrote: Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp ^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose I could even use tar and split but just curious what

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 19/03/14 00:46, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 21:50:18 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 20:54, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 01:16:58 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: That's just the sort of blaggards I'd expect a fly-by night purveyor of fickle products to associate with. This fly-by night would really like to do that now but in response to an urgent message from our representative in Edo I have

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Reco
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:08:05 + PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 01:16:58 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: That's just the sort of blaggards I'd expect a fly-by night purveyor of fickle products to associate with. This fly-by night would really like

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 20:09 +0400, Reco wrote: Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening discussion to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org? Or better off-list ;), instead of using D-community-offtopic? Some of us are still learning, but we already distinguish, we send

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 20:09:03 +0400, Reco wrote: Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening discussion to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org? My Dear Reco and fellow subscribers to this esteemed List, My caravan departure has been delayed. There is a security issue

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:03:17 + PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I realise (and I'm sure Myceneaen Magic does too) that we have let our commercial interests override our responsibility to help and advise users of the Debian OS. The thread drifted after I posted a

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 19/03/14 08:03, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 20:09:03 +0400, Reco wrote: Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening discussion to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org? My Dear Reco and fellow subscribers to this esteemed List, Especially the

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread Rob Owens
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:49:13AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/03/14 05:54 PM, Mr Queue wrote: Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp ^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose I could even use tar and

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-18 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 11:13:15 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: OK - it 'may' have been mostly humour for the sake of humour (I can't speak for PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGY, at least until the lawyers have finalised our takeover of their business). You think we are going to be the pushover Tauris was

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 04:54:48PM -0500, Mr Queue wrote: Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? Not personally, FWIW, I'm mostly concerned with cloning my current backups of family photos to different media for peace of mind. I already have a pair of backup servers in

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread andre
On Sun, 2014-03-16 at 16:54 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: I already have a pair of backup servers in different physical locations That's good. DVDs IMHO are useless as serious backup medias. Because? for example lifetime of the media itself, problems to read on different kind of dvd drives and

RE: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hello Andre, I already have a pair of backup servers in different physical locations That's good. DVDs IMHO are useless as serious backup medias. Because? for example lifetime of the media itself, problems to read on different kind of dvd drives and some other kind of Problems

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 11:25 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: So I have 2 USB connected disks of which 1 is allways offsite. +1 While I have to admit that at the moment I only use one USB HDD and it's disconnected, but in the same room as the PC, not really smart, I could do better ;). -- To

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 17/03/14 08:54, Mr Queue wrote: Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp ^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose I could even use tar and split but just curious what others may be doing currently.

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:57:07 +0100 an...@cyberh0me.net wrote: On Sun, 2014-03-16 at 16:54 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: I already have a pair of backup servers in different physical locations That's good. DVDs IMHO are useless as serious backup medias. Because? for example

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 16/03/14 05:54 PM, Mr Queue wrote: Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp ^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose I could even use tar and split but just curious what others may be doing currently. FWIW,

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Lars Noodén
On 03/17/2014 05:06 PM, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: ... So far, I haven't had readability problems on old CDs and DVDs. Blu-Rays seem a little squirrelly over time, but CDs and DVDs seem readable for many years. ... 3) Magnetic disks can be (accidentally) erased. Not so with

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 17:51 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: CDs and DVDs are physically different media than CD R and DVD R which are in turn different from CD RW and DVD RW. CDs will last a long time, as they have a layer of physically dented metal between slabs of plastic. But you can't press

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 18:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 17:51 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: CDs and DVDs are physically different media than CD R and DVD R which are in turn different from CD RW and DVD RW. CDs will last a long time, as they have a layer of physically

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 19:11 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 18:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-17 at 17:51 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: CDs and DVDs are physically different media than CD R and DVD R which are in turn different from CD RW and DVD RW. CDs will

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: The longevity of flash is still a big unknown. Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and DVDs. Why anyone should entrust their data to such volatile media is beyond our comprehension. We are an very old, established

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: The longevity of flash is still a big unknown. Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and DVDs. Why anyone should entrust their data to such volatile media is beyond our

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES
On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: The longevity of flash is still a big unknown. Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and DVDs. Why

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-17 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote: On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: The longevity of flash is still a big unknown. Well observered, Sir. The same

Backup's to DVD

2014-03-16 Thread Mr Queue
Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp ^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose I could even use tar and split but just curious what others may be doing currently. FWIW, I'm mostly concerned with cloning my

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2014-03-16 at 16:54 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: I already have a pair of backup servers in different physical locations That's good. DVDs IMHO are useless as serious backup medias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-16 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 23:02:59 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 2014-03-16 at 16:54 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: I already have a pair of backup servers in different physical locations That's good. DVDs IMHO are useless as serious backup medias. Because? Thanks,

Re: Backup's to DVD

2014-03-16 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 16:54:48 -0500 Mr Queue li...@mrqueue.com wrote: Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's? https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp I back up to Blu-Ray, among other things. Often (I try to do it daily) I back up to a backup server via rsync. Then, every