Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:46:51PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat,09.Aug.08, 17:04:47, Ron Johnson wrote: I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like a charm. if [ $TERM == linux ]; then startx exit fi If I try to run startx with X

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue,12.Aug.08, 00:15:10, Chris Bannister wrote: , | if [ $TERM = linux ]; then ..cough..^ Typo (all my self-made scripts are #!/bin/sh, where 'sh' points to 'dash'). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,09.Aug.08, 17:04:47, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/09/08 08:57, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like a charm. if [ $TERM == linux ]; then startx exit fi

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun,10.Aug.08, 12:46:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: And eventually it will return the prompt. I think most cases will be covered by something like: , | if [ $TERM = linux ]; then | if [ ! -f /tmp/X0-lock ]; then | startx | exit | fi | fi ` The

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-10 Thread Wayne Topa
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat,09.Aug.08, 17:04:47, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/09/08 08:57, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like a charm. if [ $TERM == linux ]; then

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:01:46 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: [ snip: a bit of goofing off ] I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the interface and I don't want to accidentally break useful features. Any

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 09 07:29 -0500]: On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:01:46 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: [ snip: a bit of goofing off ] I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 22:31 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: One of my active anti-goals is making aptitude the best package manager

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 23:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 02:11:43PM +0200, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: - I would like to be able to declare favorites among packages, to guide conflict resolution. I was actually working on this a few weeks ago but I got sidetracked by the fact that the GTK+ interface

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 21:07 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: aptitude makes it easy to plan the updates How so? You can easily mark packages for installation, upgrade, reinstallation or removal without

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:09 +0100, andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the risks -

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
Quoting Nate Bargmann n0nb AT n0nb DOT us: * Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 09 07:29 -0500]: [...] - It would be nice to have apt-cache policy-equivalent information in the versions display of packages. Right now I find it difficult to figure out in which archive a given

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
Quoting Daniel Burrows dburrows AT debian DOT org: On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 02:11:43PM +0200, Florian Kulzer was heard to say: - I would like to be able to declare favorites among packages, to guide conflict resolution. I was actually working on this a few weeks ago but I got sidetracked

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/09/08 08:57, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like a charm. if [ $TERM == linux ]; then startx exit fi -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Ron, I

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 09 15:49 -0500]: Right now I use the limit view function with appropriate search terms to get this kind of information; it would be nice if aptitude displayed the archive(s) next to the version number automatically. Ahh, since I just have unstable

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/07/08 23:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Preston Boyington
Damon L. Chesser wrote: snipped I think I will once more look it over, if for no other reason then Ron Johnson will not snicker at me. well i don't know Ron but given what i have read i wouldn't bet on that. :D I moved from apt-get to aptitude and now I don't even think about it anymore.

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I've no trouble with either at the command line. The *curses interface is highly non-intuitive (IMO). It, along with dselect, has always struck me as just a little Martian. That's fine in vi or emacs

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Preston Boyington
Daniel Burrows wrote: If you just mean that you have to learn the keystrokes ... that's probably not going to change; with the limited screen real estate on a terminal, I can't afford to put in buttons on everything. Although I haven't delved into aptitude as deeply as I probably should, I

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Preston Boyington wrote: As it stands, I press / enter my search criteria and then press enter to access the packages. Then I press / again and enter to go to the next found item. I don't know of a way to cycle through otherwise so if I miss a package I have to cycle through the whole list

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 01:05:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 23:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Bob Cox
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:11:06 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Preston Boyington wrote: As it stands, I press / enter my search criteria and then press enter to access the packages. Then I press / again and enter to go to the next found item. I don't know of a

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Preston Boyington
Bob Cox wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:11:06 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Preston Boyington wrote: As it stands, I press / enter my search criteria and then press enter to access the packages. Then I press / again and enter to go to the next found item. I don't

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Nick Lidakis
s. keeling wrote: No, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? Especially in this nvidia crazed age? Can you elaborate on that statement? I ask because of my utter frustration with my NVIDIA card lately, as Ron

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I've no trouble with either at the command line. The *curses interface is highly non-intuitive (IMO). It, along with dselect, has always

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I've no trouble with either at the command line. The *curses interface is

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 16:23 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I've no

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Andrew Sackville-West writes: I would suggest you use EMACS as a front end. An apt-mode sounds great to me. I'm not suggesting that Daniel (or anyone else) write it, though. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 08 18:25 -0500]: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Daniel, I would suggest you use EMACS as a front end. oh that's a fabulous idea, but think about it. Something as obscure and hard to understand as

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? It's a GUI app?

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread s. keeling
Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 03:20 +0200, s. keeling wrote: No, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? Especially in this nvidia crazed age? I am equally at home using

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 03:13 +0200, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 03:20 퍭㒲䞞阩먭磚, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? Especially in this nvidia crazed

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread s. keeling
Nick Lidakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling wrote: No, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? Especially in this nvidia crazed age? Can you elaborate on that statement? I ask because of my utter

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread chris
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:16:04 +0200, s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:50:39PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 16:23 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: One of my active anti-goals is making aptitude the best package manager after you enter 500 configuration options to enable all the

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 20:01 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:21PM +0200, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700,

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Kent West
Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 20:01 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: Heh. :-) I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the interface and I don't want to accidentally break useful features.

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:21PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: aptitude makes it easy to plan the

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been using the beta 177.13

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Cousin Stanley
Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own inability to cope with the ncurses interface to aptitude To me it seems cumbersome and somewhat cryptic -- Stanley C. Kitching

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Allums
Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Cousin Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own inability to cope with the ncurses interface to aptitude To me it

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:55:23PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Cousin Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:06 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:55:23PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Cousin Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:55 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Cousin Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own inability

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? Perhaps exactly that. Simplicity sometimes means that advanced features are not available, or that you have to dig deep to be able to reach them. I cannot say if this is the case with Synaptic,

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:55 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Cousin Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:55 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Cousin Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 19:37 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? Perhaps exactly that. Simplicity sometimes means that advanced features are not available, or that you have to dig deep to be able

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread s. keeling
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 20:01 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: Heh. :-) I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the interface and I don't want to

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread s. keeling
Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? It's a GUI app? Very funny Ron. Really. No, I think he was serious, and I

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 03:20 +0200, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? It's a GUI app?

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? It's a GUI app? Very funny Ron. Really. No, I think

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 10:12:45AM -0500, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Damon L. Chesser wrote: Sadly, I have NEVER used aptitude ncurses. Ever since the early days of Potato, when I tried to use it, I would get completely lost. As smart as I am (however smart that is)

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 20:11 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 10:12:45AM -0500, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Damon L. Chesser wrote: Sadly, I have NEVER used aptitude ncurses. Ever since the early days of Potato, when I tried to use it, I would get

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Mumia W..
On 08/07/2008 04:55 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: And I think Aptitude works very well and couldn't wait to ditch dselect for it. Different strokes and all that. I've had the displeasure of being dumped into Synaptic on Ubuntu and friends. I'll take Aptitude every time, thank you very much. -

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-06 Thread Kenward Vaughan
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:29 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons),

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: aptitude makes it easy to plan the updates How so? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 03:46:28PM +0100, andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: That's a fair point. I currently run stable (Lenny) because it seemed to be a good balance between (relatively) up-to-date software that has (mostly) had its bugs worked through. Note that lenny is *not*

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: aptitude makes it easy to plan the updates How so? I'll bite on this... the simple but powerful interface allows me to quickly browse

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Florian Kulzer
Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: aptitude makes it easy to plan the updates How so? I'll bite on this... the simple but powerful

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:21PM +0200, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: aptitude

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:09:34 +0100 andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am

Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread andy
Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the risks - i.e. frequently broken applications - but to be

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Kent West
andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the risks - i.e. frequently broken applications -

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Kent West
andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the risks - i.e. frequently broken applications -

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008, andy wrote: This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am Yes, but none that you can't get also from

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread andy
Kent West wrote: andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the risks - i.e. frequently broken

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue,05.Aug.08, 14:09:34, andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of Yes, you get the

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/05/08 08:33, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2008, andy wrote: This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:34PM +0100, andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Hans Christian
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:09:34 +0100 andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Paul Scott
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:34PM +0100, andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits

nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread David Witbrodt
- Original Message From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been using the beta 177.13 driver for quite a while now. I built a custom 2.6.26 kernel

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been using the beta 177.13 driver for quite a

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:34PM +0100, andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread David Witbrodt
Where is the beta? Stable is at: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86 Browsing to nvidia.com gets you their funky home page, with a bunch of useless links -- none pointing to driver downloads. Clicking on just about anything, you then get pages that have a more useful top menu, with

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread Nick Lidakis
Ron Johnson wrote: Where is the beta? Stable is at: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86 You can also find it in updated sticky posts at the official Nvidia Linux forum: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=forumid=14 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL