Mike McCarty wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print in the forward direction until I quit the program and
restart it.
What
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:30:52PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:12:39 -0400
Juergen Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
For documents on the web I have this inelegant and heinous trick: I
google for them. If a doc is in PDF format, Google will give you the
option
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:58:49 +0100
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:23:27 +0100
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As for acroread goes, it has turned into a huge package. The version in
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:11:36 -0400
Juergen Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:30:52PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:12:39 -0400
Juergen Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
For documents on the web I have this inelegant and heinous trick:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:35:07 -0600
Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
I agree. There is a tendency on the list to chastise topical questions
with google for it while OT threads go on for ever. BTW the list's
track record in actually answering and solving *topical* questions, in
Celejar wrote:
So acroread uses about 10 times as much space as xpdf (and I haven't even
looked closely at acroread's dependencies vs. those of xpdf).
Isn't Acroread statically linked?
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Celejar wrote:
Ah the hidden dependencies. xpdf is a dummy package, that pulls in
xpdf-reader and xpdf-utils and xpdf-common. Adding those up comes quite
close to what acroread uses, so I guess my comparison is pretty useless.
Um, no.
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 04:35 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
[snip]
I agree. There is a tendency on the list to chastise topical questions
with google for it while OT threads go on for ever. BTW the list's
track record in actually answering and solving *topical* questions, in
my opinion, is
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 10:16 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Celejar wrote:
So acroread uses about 10 times as much space as xpdf (and I haven't even
looked closely at acroread's dependencies vs. those of xpdf).
Isn't Acroread statically linked?
Yes, and as a rule, Debian frowns heavily on those
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Greg Folkert wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 04:35 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
[snip]
I agree. There is a tendency on the list to chastise topical questions
with google for it while OT threads go on for ever. BTW the list's
track record in
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On 03/14/07 10:34, Joe Hart wrote:
Celejar wrote:
[snip]
I agree, yet I get berated when I point out that Debian does not
support acroread because it is proprietary to Adobe. Go figure.
Can you post a link (from the archives) to the post in
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 03/14/07 10:34, Joe Hart wrote:
Celejar wrote:
[snip]
I agree, yet I get when I point out that Debian does not
support acroread because it is proprietary to Adobe. Go figure.
Can you post a link (from the archives) to
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 16:34:36 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
[...]
I agree, yet I get berated when I point out that Debian does not support
acroread because it is proprietary to Adobe. Go figure.
It is probably not worth to harp on this much longer, but as far as I
remember it you received some
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Greg Folkert wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 10:16 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Celejar wrote:
So acroread uses about 10 times as much space as xpdf (and I haven't even
looked closely at acroread's dependencies vs. those of xpdf).
Isn't Acroread
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Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 16:34:36 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
[...]
I agree, yet I get berated when I point out that Debian does not support
acroread because it is proprietary to Adobe. Go figure.
It is probably not worth
a bug in acroread.
OTOH, I can see where it would be interpreted as a curt or
dismissive response, even if it wasn't meant to be.
Since the original post, we have discussed the bloat of acroread and the
alternative pdf viewers, and never once did I think this was off topic
to this mailing
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On 03/13/07 01:16, Joe Hart wrote:
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Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another
question. Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?
They can be password encrypted. Don't know about anything else.
Joe
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On 03/13/07 01:16, Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another
question. Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?
They can be password
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Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:33:04 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 03/13/07 01:16, Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another
question.
Joe Hart wrote:
As for acroread goes, it has turned into a huge package. The version in
my apt-cache shows 7.0.9, which is not the newest version, and it's a
whopping 22911748 bytes. I imagine that 8.0 is even bigger.
While KPDF may not be as feature rich, it does the job, and weighs in at
Florian Kulzer wrote:
It is furthermore possible to write custom plug-ins which impose
additional restrictions. For example, we once got a reprint-PDF for an
article that we had published in a scientific journal. This PDF required
a plug-in so that it could contact the publisher's server to
Joe Hart wrote:
My position comes from the fact that companies try to push their
proprietary formats down our throats. PDF is a perfect example of a
file type that I have disliked since I moved to Europe where the paper
format is different than the US. With PDF files, one cannot change the
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:31:29 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
As for acroread goes, it has turned into a huge package. The version in
my apt-cache shows 7.0.9, which is not the newest version, and it's a
whopping 22911748 bytes. I imagine that 8.0 is even bigger.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:33:04 -0500
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Ron,
Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another
question. Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?
They can be password encrypted. Don't know about anything else.
Printing can be disabled,
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
The concept behind pdf is a different one. The aim is not to have every
thing printed to the margins on different paper sizes. The concept is
that the printout, including line and page breaks, should be the same no
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:51:34 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Florian Kulzer wrote:
It is furthermore possible to write custom plug-ins which impose
additional restrictions. For example, we once got a reprint-PDF for an
article that we had published in a scientific journal. This PDF
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:51:09 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
[...]
Can you point me to a link where I can get the source for PDF? The DRM
information and all? IMO, Arcoread is just a marketing tool for Adobe
so that people will buy Acrobat. Very similar to Wordpad (until
recently) being able
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Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:51:09 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
[...]
Can you point me to a link where I can get the source for PDF? The DRM
information and all? IMO, Arcoread is just a marketing tool for Adobe
so that people
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:02:17PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:51:09 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
[...]
Is postscript so bad that everyone needs pdf? No. The fact that PDF
files are hard to edit is what makes them so popular in the business world.
I think it was
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:23:27 +0100
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As for acroread goes, it has turned into a huge package. The version in
my apt-cache shows 7.0.9, which is not the newest version, and it's a
whopping 22911748 bytes. I imagine that 8.0 is even bigger.
While KPDF
Gregory Seidman writes:
...PDF is just a page definition language.
It was. They keep adding to it...
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Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:23:27 +0100
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As for acroread goes, it has turned into a huge package. The version in
my apt-cache shows 7.0.9, which is not the newest version, and it's a
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, all,
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print in the forward direction until I quit the program
Joe Hart wrote:
Is postscript so bad that everyone needs pdf? No. The fact that PDF
files are hard to edit is what makes them so popular in the business
world.
pdf files are searchable. I cannot figure out how to search a .ps file under
gv. The search functionality is tremendously useful
Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
I disagree about it being forced on us. Many documents on the web are
PDF format. Most hardware comes without manuals and the documents are
pdf files.
You have an odd definition for the word force.
We should thank Adobe that --despite the limitations-- their format
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 03/13/07 01:16, Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another
question. Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?
They can be password encrypted. Don't know about anything else.
Arguably the worst feature, however, may be the
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Mike McCarty wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
context
Noone is forcing you to use pdf files
/context
I disagree about it being forced on us. Many documents on the web are
PDF format. Most hardware comes without manuals and the documents are
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 07:39:09PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
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Mike McCarty wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
context
Noone is forcing you to use pdf files
/context
I disagree about it being forced on us. Many documents on the web are
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:12:39 -0400
Juergen Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
For documents on the web I have this inelegant and heinous trick: I
google for them. If a doc is in PDF format, Google will give you the
option to view it as HTML. The converted version is not always pretty,
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Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:12:39 -0400
Juergen Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
For documents on the web I have this inelegant and heinous trick: I
google for them. If a doc is in PDF format, Google will give you the
option
Joe Hart wrote:
Amazing. OT threads covering abortion, religion, politics etc. ad
nauseum persist for weeks with hardly a complaint, and this guy asks a
question which is actually more or less on topic, and he gets chastized.
In answer, I have not noticed that. Normally, if I select reverse
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Mike McCarty wrote:
Amazing. OT threads covering abortion, religion, politics etc. ad
nauseum persist for weeks with hardly a complaint, and this guy asks a
question which is actually more or less on topic, and he gets chastized.
snip
I asked
Joe Hart wrote:
My position comes from the fact that companies try to push their
proprietary formats down our throats. PDF is a perfect example of a
file type that I have disliked since I moved to Europe where the paper
format is different than the US. With PDF files, one cannot change the
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Mike McCarty wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
My position comes from the fact that companies try to push their
proprietary formats down our throats. PDF is a perfect example of a
file type that I have disliked since I moved to Europe where the paper
Joe Hart wrote:
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Mike McCarty wrote:
[snip]
This is a limitation of the tools, not the file format.
There is no such problem with other files. Unfortunately, PDF has
become a standard. Luckily there are gpl tools that can handle them,
but I
Hi, all,
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print in the forward direction until I quit the program and
restart it.
-Chris
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print in the forward direction until I quit the program and
restart
Joe Hart wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print in the forward direction until I quit the program and
restart it.
What happens when you use
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Mike McCarty wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt that this is specific to debian, but has anyone noticed
this bug in acroread? I've noticed that if I print pages in reverse, I
can't print in the forward direction until I
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