Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-14 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:05:17 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 06:28:03PM -0500, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: The USENET is a different story, and I'm willing to bet that he's not aware of munging policies of mailing lists vs. the USENET. But they're the

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-14 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:07:57 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was one of the last straws that made me to start serving myself. I signed up for Yahoo and they sold me up the river. Now I'm not so concerned about it because I have better methods and report. We'll just have to

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-14 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:47:02 -0500, Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott C. Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By using an invalid email address in your headers with a valid domain, the site's mx is picking up the weight of spam, even though you are not. I think

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-14 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:33:58 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, it generates less spam than signing up for Yahoo, even when used over years. How can you be so sure? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-14 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:10:03 -0700, Alan Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to have to do this, but I own an apology to Paul Johnson. (Having received a mail from a list member with an example of a false CR. Talk about FAST.) For all that you do in trying to fight the spam problem, I

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-14 Thread Steve Lamb
It seems that Mr. Connor never paid attention to Sesame St. when the Count was on. On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:54:03 -0700 Alan Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = 1. First level of quoting. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 6 08:41:46 2003

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-11 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:05:10 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USENET was designed as a replacement to listservs. Given the origin, lost functionality, and it's about as effective as C-R for reducing spam, munging is considered harmful. No functionality is lost, I get protection

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-10 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:33:06 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't get protection from spam. If humans can decode it, so can the spammers. If humans can't decode it, you're voiding functionality needlessly. That's just it, while a human *can* decode it a harvester cannot.

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-08 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:10:05 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did an experiment by posting a temporary account in the From header in a bunch of different fairly high-traffic, high-spam groups as well as the ones I regular. Six months later when I remembered I had started that

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-08 Thread Alan Shutko
Scott C. Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Munging has always traditionally been okay in news. Not to many people, including myself. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Show up at the funeral services in a clown suit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-08 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:05:46 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, I think I missed it. Why aren't you reporting? What makes you think I'm not? I'm pointing out that the assertion that addresses posted to newsgroups are not harvested is false. I use an address ONLY on the

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-06 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2003-08-06T22:10:13Z, Scott C. Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a valid email address. Neither is [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is how it appears on my system. Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] for everyone else. -- Kirk Strauser pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-06 Thread Alan Shutko
Scott C. Linnenbringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By using an invalid email address in your headers with a valid domain, the site's mx is picking up the weight of spam, even though you are not. I think eskimo.com's mail system is actually slightly broken, and that Alan Connor isn't posting

Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re:Look at

2003-08-06 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:51:33 +0100, Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:47:02PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: I think eskimo.com is rewriting that localhost into eskimo.com. So it isn't actually getting any extra load from Alan Connor... it's just slightly damaging