Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Mart van de Wege
Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com writes: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/31/2014 4:20 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote: Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com writes: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS

2014-12-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. That's a great idea. Who's going to pay these people - you? I donate my own time

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 31 dec 14, 09:45:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I've never said anyone should be obliged to maintain Debian the way I want. I said the way they are going is not acceptable, so my clients are changing distributions. Period. I think the point some are trying to make is that Debian's

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Mike McGinn
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:45:53 Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/31/2014 4:20 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote: Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com writes: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Simon
On 31 December 2014 18:10:00 GMT+00:00, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mi, 31 dec 14, 09:45:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I've never said anyone should be obliged to maintain Debian the way I want. I said the way they are going is not acceptable, so my clients are changing

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 1/01/2015 5:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 31 dec 14, 09:45:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I've never said anyone should be obliged to maintain Debian the way I want. I said the way they are going is not acceptable, so my clients are

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS

2014-12-31 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/31/2014 1:24 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. That's a great idea. Who's going to pay

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/31/2014 1:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 31 dec 14, 09:45:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I've never said anyone should be obliged to maintain Debian the way I want. I said the way they are going is not acceptable, so my clients are changing distributions. Period. I think the point

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/31/2014 1:34 PM, Mike McGinn wrote: On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:45:53 Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 12/31/2014 4:20 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote: Jerry Stuckle stuckleje...@gmail.com writes: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS

2014-12-31 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/31/2014 02:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Really, your expectations are unrealistic, especially since you don't know my clients, their business, their employees' qualifications and a whole lot of other things about them. But, they will pay money out to go distro shopping, reconfiguring

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS

2014-12-31 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/31/2014 3:11 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/31/2014 02:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Really, your expectations are unrealistic, especially since you don't know my clients, their business, their employees' qualifications and a whole lot of other things about them. But, they will pay

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-31 Thread Mart van de Wege
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: Of course, this will not fare well with people that chose GNU/Linux because of the wrong impression that it is without cost. [1] possibly even more so than other distributions, provided the desired changes don't go against the Social

Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I should also add - that's why they are looking at other distros now. They are planning to stay on Wheezy as long as possible. It will probably take two years for them to get another distro ready for production. If switching to systemd is their main

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/30/2014 at 09:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I should also add - that's why they are looking at other distros now. They are planning to stay on Wheezy as long as possible. It will probably take two years for them to get another distro ready for

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/30/2014 9:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I should also add - that's why they are looking at other distros now. They are planning to stay on Wheezy as long as possible. It will probably take two years for them to get another distro ready for

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on

Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is

Fwd: Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread William Unruh
On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is

Re: Fwd: Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]

2014-12-30 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/30/2014 10:07 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending