Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-29 Thread Rohan Nicholls
Thanks, it sounds promising. If i install win2k as the guest OS on vmware which is in turn installed on linux, is there a way to copy the whole win2k installation into vmware, or do i need to re-install everything again? I reinstalled everything, which I didn't mind as I have it running

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-26 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:53:34PM +1100, Russell wrote: Rohan Nicholls wrote: * Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030125 00:17]: You are right there, and there is plex86, but I have not explored that fully yet, but intend to. I gave it a shot. Overall it's still quite slow, and doesn't

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-25 Thread Rohan Nicholls
* Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030125 00:17]: on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 12:54:46AM +1100, Russell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rohan Nicholls wrote: I have to say that I took over my windows partition, and now run win2k in an emulator for the times I need to for work, and it runs as

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-25 Thread Russell
Rohan Nicholls wrote: * Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030125 00:17]: on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 12:54:46AM +1100, Russell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rohan Nicholls wrote: I have to say that I took over my windows partition, and now run win2k in an emulator for the times I need to for

plex86, VMWare, other emulators (was Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX)

2003-01-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 12:59:24AM +0100, Rohan Nicholls ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030125 00:17]: on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 12:54:46AM +1100, Russell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rohan Nicholls wrote: I have to say that I took over my windows

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-25 Thread nate
Russell said: Thanks, it sounds promising. If i install win2k as the guest OS on vmware which is in turn installed on linux, is there a way to copy the whole win2k installation into vmware, or do i need to re-install everything again? you should reinstall everything again. VMWare has the

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:53:34PM +1100, Russell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Rohan Nicholls wrote: ... This I have not tried, the company I work for, has the Office and Win2k licenses so I have just used VMware and installed them. It is a very sweet system, and allows me to deal with

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 08:12:31PM -0800, nate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Russell said: Thanks, it sounds promising. If i install win2k as the guest OS on vmware which is in turn installed on linux, is there a way to copy the whole win2k installation into vmware, or do i need to

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-24 Thread Rohan Nicholls
* John Peg Pickard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030121 05:06]: In short, will I be able to do something productive with Debian LINUX? And then I will want to network it with our laptop running WinME, and a LinkSys Print server, and possibly a US Robotics broadband router (if I can use the back up dial

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-24 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 09:26:37PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 02:51:46AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:05:28PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Should it be? I can understand a desire to ease

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Karsten M. Self [Thu, Jan 23 2003, 03:05:20AM]: over the last year or so the lack of home windows use has atrophied those skills somewhat, epecially with XP stuff. Heh. I'm still embarassed by my ability to troubleshoot legacy MS Windows issues based on my GNU/Linux

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:39:12AM]: comments. You're right. Truth is truth, even if it may hurt. I guess I hit a vein of truth and hurts. Maybe you haven't noticed, but you accuse this person of only whinning, while your response is nothing more than excuses of

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 11:14 am, you wrote: #include hallo.h * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:39:12AM]: comments. You're right. Truth is truth, even if it may hurt. I guess I hit a vein of truth and hurts. Maybe you haven't noticed, but you accuse this person of only

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 01:33 am, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 01:52:40AM -0500, Hal Vaughan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday 21 January 2003 12:31 am, Kent West wrote: John Peg Pickard wrote: I would STRONGLY recommend trying Mandrake. While I have not had

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 11:40, Hal Vaughan wrote: I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new to Linux, but used to Unix or sys admin/programming on other systems, or are they just at the user (or just above) level? I did my first ever install of a Linux distro 13

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Craig Jackson
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 13:00, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 11:40, Hal Vaughan wrote: I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new to Linux, but used to Unix or sys admin/programming on other systems, or are they just at the user (or just above)

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Kent West
Hal Vaughan wrote: snip I also find that seem to be contradicting yourself here. Your point before was that this was way above the original poster's head. Now you're saying any literate computer user can install Debian. And, remember, your original response was to tell him to go away. It

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Kent West
Alex Malinovich wrote: Other than that, I was an absolute newbie. I thought mounting was what you did with a horse And when I was a newbie I thought it was . . . oh, uh, never mind. . . . (I gotta learn some social skills . . . .) curt, uh, I mean, Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Seneca
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:40:17PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new to Linux, but used to Unix or sys admin/programming on other systems, or are they just at the user (or just above) level? Back when I started with Debian (Dec. 2,

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 13:45, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 11:40, Hal Vaughan wrote: I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new to Linux, but used to Unix or sys admin/programming on other systems, or are they just at the user (or just above)

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Benedict Verheyen
snip I also tried installing Mandrake about a month ago to see what it was like and found one of the best installers I've ever seen. I now carry the 1st Mandrake install CD around with my laptop anytime I need an emergency boot disk for someone. (Primarily because of the partitioning tool.)

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:05:28PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:40:17PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: [ snip ] I think so many Debian-ites have not needed to install for such a long time that they've forgotten what it is like. Perhaps that's why the installer is

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Brian Nelson
Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:05:28PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:40:17PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: [ snip ] I think so many Debian-ites have not needed to install for such a long time that they've forgotten what it is

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 02:51:46AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:05:28PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Should it be? I can understand a desire to ease the installation process. However, I for one feel it is tremendously benificial for a

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread John Hasler
Brian Nelson writes: These days, I think the installer is minimalistic because it has to be ported to so many arches (11 for woody). It's significantly more difficult to write a fancy installer that also works on all the arches Debian supports. That's one reason. Another is Debian's

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:05:28PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:40:17PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: My point was how Mandrake is focused on making everything as easy as possible to install and use -- so it's possible for the average Joe to

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:46:47PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:05:28PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:40:17PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: [ snip ] I think so many Debian-ites have not

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 01:56:22PM +1100, John Griffiths ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I strongly suspect that at least some of the confusion is the result of the environment. Legacy MS Windows *doesn't* let you know what's going on, it *does* change arbitrarially between versions, and often a

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 01:52:40AM]: Linux, being an OS by geeks for geeks, up until just recently, needs a geek to get it set up properly. Mandrake and others have made vast improvements, but it's not automatic. If you expect it to be, you'll be disappointed.

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-21 Thread Alaa The Great
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:33:22 -0800 (PST) nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe your a good candidate for using debian on the desktop. Perhaps SuSE, Mandrake or Xandros, despite being more propritary(sp), they are a step in the right direction(towards more openness) compared to most

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-21 Thread Dave W
On Monday 20 January 2003 10:54 pm, John Peg Pickard wrote: In short, will I be able to do something productive with Debian LINUX? And then I will want to network it with our laptop running WinME, and a LinkSys Print server, and possibly a US Robotics broadband router (if I can use the back

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-21 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 02:46 am, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 01:52:40AM]: Linux, being an OS by geeks for geeks, up until just recently, needs a geek to get it set up properly. Mandrake and others have made vast improvements, but it's not

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-21 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 01:52:40AM -0500, Hal Vaughan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday 21 January 2003 12:31 am, Kent West wrote: John Peg Pickard wrote: I would STRONGLY recommend trying Mandrake. While I have not had any problems with Mandrake 9.0, I have heard of some people who

Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-20 Thread John Peg Pickard
In early '99 I tried Slackware Linux. After a lot of reading and research tofind out the specs for the computer's hardware, the install went well exceptfor two things. When I got my 8 bit ISA modem I needed an interrupt less than 8. I had plansfor both serial ports so I set the modem's

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-20 Thread Ayman Haidar
Hello John, Although Debian is my favorite distribution for several years, and although for me installation of debian is only a snap (me only), I would still recommend going with another distribution to start with. here is my recommendations: 1. have at least one day or one weekend devoted to

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-20 Thread Kent West
John Peg Pickard wrote: In early '99 . . . So problem #1 was LINUX wasn't smart enough to find a sound card if it wasn't on interrupt 5 (unless the user was smart enough to edit and recompile the sound module). Problem #2 was stair stepping when I printed. After some e-mail

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-20 Thread nate
John Peg Pickard said: In short, will I be able to do something productive with Debian LINUX? And then I will want to network it with our laptop running WinME, and a I don't believe your a good candidate for using debian on the desktop. Perhaps SuSE, Mandrake or Xandros, despite being more

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-20 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 12:31 am, Kent West wrote: John Peg Pickard wrote: As I didn't have time to keep playing with LINUX, I gave up. Linux, being an OS by geeks for geeks, up until just recently, needs a geek to get it set up properly. Mandrake and others have made vast improvements,