Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the most obvious is flashblock. I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is. I think what he(?) meant was

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Michael Marsh
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:19:27 -0400, S.D.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is. I think what he(?) meant was something that extracts the navigation URLs

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:54:09AM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:19:27 -0400, S.D.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is.

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:27AM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the most obvious is flashblock. I don't think that's what Pigeon had in

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Stephen Tait
At 14:09 20/09/2004, you wrote: BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said that's not accurate regarding Flash. I was under the impression that flash is open source in the same way as PDF; the format is open, but the big-time applications (FlashMX, Acrobat) are

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 02:39:13PM +0100 or thereabouts, Stephen Tait wrote: At 14:09 20/09/2004, you wrote: BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said that's not accurate regarding Flash. I was under the impression that flash is open source in the same way

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Paul Johnson
#secure method=pgp mode=sign -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 S.D.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said that's not accurate regarding Flash. You're going to have to back that up. Last I checked, Macromedia held

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 12:54:39PM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote: #secure method=pgp mode=sign -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 S.D.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW Flash technology is OPEN Source, it's NOT proprietary. Too much is said that's not accurate

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:27AM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the most obvious is flashblock. I don't think that's what Pigeon had in

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:09:27AM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:54:09AM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Marsh wrote: That's true -- I wasn't aware of that. However, that doesn't address the issue that some people don't run Flash for one reason or another. Most of us have

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-20 Thread S.D.A.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 03:06:06AM +0100 or thereabouts, Pigeon wrote: [...] There is another issue that I can see with flash (and please correct me if I'm not accurate :-) ) which is the monolithic, binary nature of the files - in fact this leads to two issues: snip for space You're quite

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:47:00PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: Pigeon wrote: It would be useful if there was a flash plugin that did nothing but extract URLs and present them in clickable form, so you could still navigate web

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:09:29PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: Well, there's a Mozilla extension that does that, anyway. What's it called? I was googling for such a thing a few days ago without any luck, and I've looked through the

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Michael Marsh
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:43:07 -0400, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the most obvious is flashblock. I don't think that's what Pigeon had in mind, useful though it is. I think what he(?) meant was something that extracts the navigation URLs within a flash animation so that the site is

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400, Michael Marsh wrote: ... I think what he(?) meant was something that extracts the navigation URLs within a flash animation so that the site is navigable. For example, many sites have a flash-based homepage with no non-flash links presented, so if

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:43:07PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 11:09:29PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: Well, there's a Mozilla extension that does that, anyway. What's it called? I was googling for such a thing a

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-19 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 08:18:01PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 07:54:13PM -0400, Michael Marsh wrote: ... I think what he(?) (yes) :-) meant was something that extracts the navigation URLs within a flash animation so that the site is navigable. For example, many

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-18 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:41:32AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: If you are using flash, I must warn you to only use it to make movies or games, NEVER for navigation, as it is not a highly accessible technology. Please, stay away from it for web design. Well said. It would be useful if there

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-18 Thread Travis Crump
Pigeon wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:41:32AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: If you are using flash, I must warn you to only use it to make movies or games, NEVER for navigation, as it is not a highly accessible technology. Please, stay away from it for web design. Well said. It would be useful

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-18 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:47:00PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: Pigeon wrote: It would be useful if there was a flash plugin that did nothing but extract URLs and present them in clickable form, so you could still navigate web sites that have the above problem but are spared all the multimedia

Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Miguel Griffa
Hi all I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and old on java and c world, but I never had contact with flash beyond .swf before. Thanks for any advice -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Kent West
Miguel Griffa wrote: Hi all I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and old on java and c world, but I never had contact with flash beyond .swf before. Thanks for any advice OpenOffice.org (Drawing /

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Andrea Vettorello
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:09:27 -0500, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miguel Griffa wrote: Hi all I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and old on java and c world, but I never had contact with

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Zachary Rizer
--- Andrea Vettorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:09:27 -0500, Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miguel Griffa wrote: Hi all I was wandering how easy is to develop flash on debian, are there any tools? official or not... I'm quite new to flash world, and

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:41:32AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote: You could also learn MING. There was also a recent story about a replacement for MING; check slashdot, I don't remember exactly, because I didn't pay much attention to it. If you are using flash, I must warn you to only use it

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread FireBright, Inc.
Just to back up Zachary's most excellent point on accessibility, here is my favorite article on how to create accessible flash content: http://www.webaim.org/techniques/flash/ I think you'll find that Zachary is correct. Flash is for advertising, kiosk, and limited web use where accessibility

Re: Developing flash on debian

2004-09-15 Thread Hasan
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