What is consensus for meaning of stable/unstable? (Re: Does everything depend on everything?)

2009-11-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 09:46:20PM +0200, Micha wrote: My experience over the last 12 years or so is that stable, testing, unstable talks more about how volatile the distribution is rather than how stable it actually is. AIUI, that _is_ the meaning. Think, stable - unchanging. esp in resp to

Re: What is consensus for meaning of stable/unstable? (Re: Does everything depend on everything?)

2009-11-04 Thread Raquel
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:10:37 +1300 Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz wrote: AIUI, that _is_ the meaning. Think, stable - unchanging. esp in resp to API's etc. unstable - changing frequently at random. Not to be confused with buggy ness or more likely to crash etc. The best

Re: OT: Standards was Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-02 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Hasler wrote: The difference is that US residents are still permitted the liberty of using the units with which they are comfortable rather than those which the all-knowing government imposes. Of course, units is always there to do the

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-02 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Saturday 31 October 2009 12:55:36 Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Micha wrote: On 31/10/2009 16:06, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I've been running 'lenny' on my workstations for some time and it works great. I also know people who still run windows 98 and it works great, it doesn't mean

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-02 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:38:55 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: ... system anyway. Either that or run pure unstable and have to fight dependencies during each transition (many of which happen during a release cycle). By the time you have enough knowledge to run a

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-02 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 02 November 2009 13:47:05 Celejar wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:38:55 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: system anyway. Either that or run pure unstable and have to fight dependencies during each transition (many of which happen during a release cycle).

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-02 Thread Jochen Schulz
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: On Monday 02 November 2009 13:47:05 Celejar wrote: I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by 'fighting dependencies'. I run Sid, and while I occasionally have to hold back a few packages, and can't always do a complete, full upgrade, it's simply a matter of

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-02 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 02 November 2009 16:31:26 Jochen Schulz wrote: Another reason for my success may be the fact that in the past I most often found it easier to reinstall on certain occasions (disk exchange, re-partitioning) than to restore from a backup (which in turn may be due to the fact that most

RE: OT: Standards was Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-11-01 Thread owens
Original Message From: johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: OT: Standards was Re: Does everything depend on everything? Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:05:09 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dennis Wicks wrote: Sadly, only

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:49:08AM -0400, Celejar wrote: Why does anything have to be wrong? It just means that you'll have to wait to upgrade the core packages until newer versions of the optional packages, compatible with the new core packages, become available. I assume that you're

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Micha
On 31/10/2009 11:57, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:49:08AM -0400, Celejar wrote: Why does anything have to be wrong? It just means that you'll have to wait to upgrade the core packages until newer versions of the optional packages, compatible with the new core packages,

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha wrote: [snip some talk about testing and unstable] For a desktop you want one of these but there is a debate which. Not necessarily. I've been running 'lenny' on my workstations for some time and it works great. YMMV, of course. - --

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Micha
On 31/10/2009 16:06, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha wrote: [snip some talk about testing and unstable] For a desktop you want one of these but there is a debate which. Not necessarily. I've been running 'lenny' on my workstations for some

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Dennis Wicks
Johannes Wiedersich wrote the following on 10/31/2009 09:06 AM: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha wrote: [snip some talk about testing and unstable] For a desktop you want one of these but there is a debate which. Not necessarily. I've been running 'lenny' on my

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha wrote: On 31/10/2009 16:06, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: For a desktop you want one of these but there is a debate which. Not necessarily. I've been running 'lenny' on my workstations for some time and it works great. I also know people

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Micha
On 31/10/2009 19:55, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha wrote: On 31/10/2009 16:06, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: For a desktop you want one of these but there is a debate which. Not necessarily. I've been running 'lenny' on my workstations for some

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Norbert Zeh
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:46:34AM -0500, Dennis Wicks wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote the following on 10/31/2009 09:06 AM: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha wrote: [snip some talk about testing and unstable] For a desktop you want one of these but there is a debate

OT: Standards was Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dennis Wicks wrote: Sadly, only three nations have the good sense not to spend 10's of millions of their GNP converting to Yet Another Arbitrary System Of Measurement. Burma, Liberia, and the United States. FWIW, I don't think that it makes sense

Re: OT: Standards was Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread Lee Winter
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Johannes Wiedersich johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dennis Wicks wrote: Sadly, only three nations have the good sense not to spend 10's of millions of their GNP converting to Yet Another Arbitrary System

Re: OT: Standards was Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-31 Thread John Hasler
Lee Winter writes: Astute observers will note that the Imperial/American system of units has already been converted to an ISO basis. And that the metric system has been an official standard and legal for trade in the USA since 1866. The USA was one of the original signatories to the Metre

Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-30 Thread Rick Pasotto
Today dpkg and dpkg-dev showed up as being held back. When I ran aptitude -s install dpkg dpkg-dev the result was that kdebase, kicker, kpersonalizer, ksplash, and libkonq5 became BROKEN. Something is wrong somewhere if updating required core packages breaks optional packages. -- Life is

Re: Does everything depend on everything?

2009-10-30 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:28:28 -0400 Rick Pasotto r...@niof.net wrote: Today dpkg and dpkg-dev showed up as being held back. When I ran aptitude -s install dpkg dpkg-dev the result was that kdebase, kicker, kpersonalizer, ksplash, and libkonq5 became BROKEN. Something is wrong somewhere