On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:06:16AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:36:51PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > Recent updates of the Highway Code allow both alternatives; they point
> > out that offside-to-offside ("tangle") turning is safer for the reason
> > Colin gives, but allow th
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:46:08PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2004 20:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
> > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > >> As for down hill, I ride quite a bit of free ride, not so
On Thursday 26 February 2004 00:41, Pigeon wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 05:04:26PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:46:08PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > > It's not too difficult to work out the maximum breaking force that can
> > > be applied before you get thrown
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:03:53AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of
> > you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the
> > right of you.
>
> Nobody should be next to you in the lane.
Yes, people coming from the right t
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:36:51PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> Recent updates of the Highway Code allow both alternatives; they point
> out that offside-to-offside ("tangle") turning is safer for the reason
> Colin gives, but allow the driver to judge which
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:00:10PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> When I'm waiting to turn left on a median, do I wait on the left edge or
> the right edge?
When in doubt, take the lane. Seriously. Taking the lane is
considered a defensive move in Orego
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:17:37PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >> As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
> >
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 05:04:26PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:46:08PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > It's not too difficult to work out the maximum breaking force that can be
> > applied before you get thrown onto the road.
>
> I believe it is 0.67g. Of course you
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 23:04, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:46:08PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > It's not too difficult to work out the maximum breaking force that can be
> > applied before you get thrown onto the road.
>
> I believe it is 0.67g.
No, it is dependent
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:09:37AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 06:00:03PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > It's a requirement in the UK Highway Code. While Paul decries it on
> > safety grounds, the rationale is in fact that going around the other
> > vehicle like this is saf
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:00:10PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> When I'm waiting to turn left on a median, do I wait on the left edge or
> the right edge? Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of
> you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the
> right of you.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:46:08PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> It's not too difficult to work out the maximum breaking force that can be
> applied before you get thrown onto the road.
I believe it is 0.67g. Of course you can't achieve this with the rear
wheel alone so by not using the front whe
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 20:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> >> As for down hill, I ride quite a bit of free ride, not so much
> >> downhill since unfortunately I don't have the money for the
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 07:59:08PM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
> actually i think this used to be reccommended behaviour at traffic
> lights, but doesn't seem to be the norm now :-(
> to do this, it needs some cooperation from the on-coming stream of
> traffic, aka intelligence :-)
The guide
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
Could you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
If you were to perform a tangle turn in
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
Could you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
If you were to perform a tangle turn in
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
>> Could you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
>
> If you were to perform a tangle turn in the US, when you turn left
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
>
>> As for down hill, I ride quite a bit of free ride, not so much
>> downhill since unfortunately I don't have the money for the big hit
>> bikes, but the steeper the terrain the more I use the f
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:08:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I don't know about that. Using just the rear break. I can completely lock
> my back wheel and my bike will keep going (especially downhill). It's
> not that the back break is too weak (
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 06:00:03PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> It's a requirement in the UK Highway Code. While Paul decries it on
> safety grounds, the rationale is in fact that going around the other
> vehicle like this is safer because you can see
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:40:01AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> I just keep well-tuned brakes and don't think about it anymore, since
> I can pretty close to stop on a dime up to about 20 MPH on my bike
> using the rear brake alone.
I don't know about that. Using just the rear break. I can complet
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
> > It doesn't help that you handle cross-traffic turns (left in the US,
> > right in GB) by what Americans call "tangle turning" and is a major
> > no-no on the west side of the pond...why hold
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning. Could
> you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
If you were to perform a tangle turn in the US, when you turn l
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 06:35:14PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> Hardly a ride goes by without me and my bike going out different
> directions, and not at a standstill. Every now and again it happens
> going over 20, usually a rock waiting by to give me
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> The myth about not touching your front break or you will a spectacular
> endo over your handle bar is a nice folk tale but almost completely
> wrong. Doing an endo depends on how well you
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 05:36:46AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> [snip] bike week
>
> Hey, when you're done with that heavy-consumption-of-technology
> recreation you can play some centrifugal bumble puppy and a round of
> electromagneti
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
>
> It doesn't help that you handle cross-traffic turns (left in the US,
> right in GB) by what Americans call "tangle turning" and is a major
> no-no on the west side of the pond...why hold fast to "keep left" when
> it's safer on a right turn at an intersection
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
[snip] bike week
Hey, when you're done with that heavy-consumption-of-technology
recreation you can play some centrifugal bumble puppy and a round of
electromagnetic golf at the Charing T.
I like to ride my bicicyle out on the trail b
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:06:10PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:53:45AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:42:44AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > > I believe the proper technique is to brake harder with the front brakes
> > > and apply enough
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:12AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:53:43AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > Its actually wrong also for bicycles. If you skid it takes a much
> > > longer time to stop. Another thing a lot of casual cyclists don't
> > > know is that you
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:14:30PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> Probably to do with the crowded conditions on UK roads... with
> something like a quarter of the US's population crammed into the area
> of one of the smaller states, most people of an age to dr
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:49:15PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > Dunno what they do now that ABS is common.
>
> Do they still teach if you have a floor mounted automatic, to hit neutral
> during a panic stop?
AFAIK they've never taught that... autos aren't
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:47:00PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > The UK's Highway Code calculates stopping distances from the equation:
> >
> > d = v + 0.05(v^2)(d in feet, v in mph)
>
> Scary numbers at my cars top speed of 160mph :)
>
> (Something
* Mike Dresser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040224 11:47]:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > The UK's Highway Code calculates stopping distances from the equation:
> >
> > d = v + 0.05(v^2)(d in feet, v in mph)
>
> Scary numbers at my cars top speed of 160mph :)
>
> (Something like a quar
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:14:30PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:11:10AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> >
> > The Chevy Cavaliers of around 2001-2002 were the other way, and hyper
> > sensitive. I've seen the ABS come on at 5kph at the end of a stop,
> > completely removing any
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:42:44AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:29:39PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > What I never understood is locally they tell bicyclists that you stop
> > faster locking the brakes and everybody else to absolutely avoid doing
> > so. Never mind t
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:11:10AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> > the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> > locking the wheels", so I'd guess any kind of
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> Dunno what they do now that ABS is common.
Do they still teach if you have a floor mounted automatic, to hit neutral
during a panic stop?
_big_ difference in stopping times at 30-40 mph and under.
Mike
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> The UK's Highway Code calculates stopping distances from the equation:
>
> d = v + 0.05(v^2)(d in feet, v in mph)
Scary numbers at my cars top speed of 160mph :)
(Something like a quarter mile)
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:06:10PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> We're talking about emergency breaking (making a panic stop).
So am I. And people who end up trying the front-wheel hard stop
usually are doing something they should be getting a tick
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:53:45AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> what you suggest is dangerously stupid and the source of a lot of
> bike/pedestrian collisions in Portland.
Actually the last time I pulled a panic stop like this was when a
couple of kids jumped into the middle of the street and I ne
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:59:40AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually, your front brake does exert a bit more stopping power, due to
> the increased percentage of weight applied to the front wheel when
> stopping; this is why many low-end motor
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:53:45AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:42:44AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > I believe the proper technique is to brake harder with the front brakes
> > and apply enough pressure to the rear brakes so that you can feel when
> > the rear wheel
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:11:10AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> > the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> >
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:42:44AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I believe the proper technique is to brake harder with the front brakes
> and apply enough pressure to the rear brakes so that you can feel when
> the rear wheel is just about to lift
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:53:43AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > Its actually wrong also for bicycles. If you skid it takes a much
> > longer time to stop. Another thing a lot of casual cyclists don't
> > know is that you actually should stop mo
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:53:35PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > What I never understood is locally they tell bicyclists that you stop
> > faster locking the brakes and everybody else to absolutely avoid doing
>
> Its actually wrong also for bicycles
On 2004-02-24, Micha Feigin penned:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:29:39PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> What I never understood is locally they tell bicyclists that you stop
>> faster locking the brakes and everybody else to absolutely avoid
>> doing
>
> Its actually wrong also for bicycles. If
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:29:39PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> I switch from four wheels to two in the snow and ice if I can.
> Nothing like sticking a wicked fishtail peelout going around the
> corner on a bicycle...
You might want to check out the icebike mailing list.
They have a website at:
h
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:29:39PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> What I never understood is locally they tell bicyclists that you stop
> faster locking the brakes and everybody else to absolutely avoid doing
> so. Never mind that if you can stick a fast stop with good brakes, as
> hard as you can w
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> locking the wheels", so I'd guess any kind of lock would be a fail.
> Dunno what they do now that ABS is common.
Does
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:48:12AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> > Then again, the traction control doesn't work worth a damn either :)
>
> I'd be surprised if that's the case. You can't expect too much from
> anything claiming to give you better control.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:29:39PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:39:13PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> > the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> > locking the wheels", so I'd
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:22:10PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 02:23:38PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:20:48PM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
> > > assume perfect driver, what is difference in stopping d
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:39:13PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> locking the wheels", so I'd guess any kind of lock
Pigeon wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 02:23:38PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:20:48PM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
assume perfect driver, what is difference in stopping distance 30mph cf
35mph
According to the ODOT Driver Manual[1], page 39 (in the PDF,
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 02:23:38PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:20:48PM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
> > assume perfect driver, what is difference in stopping distance 30mph cf
> > 35mph
>
> According to the ODOT Driver Manual[1], page 39 (in the PDF, 33 on
> printed
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:48:12AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I know... same here, despite the fact that an emergency stop is
> > part of the UK driving test and locking the wheels is a fail.
>
> How much of a lock is a lock?
It's a long time si
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:48:12AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> Then again, the traction control doesn't work worth a damn either :)
I'd be surprised if that's the case. You can't expect too much from
anything claiming to give you better control. Yo
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> Yeah, I know... same here, despite the fact that an emergency stop is
> part of the UK driving test and locking the wheels is a fail.
How much of a lock is a lock? My car has ABS, but in extreme situtations
you can get it to slide a couple feet on dry pavemen
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:20:20AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > Or they drive a 4WD and
> > don't realize that anti-lock brakes operate as disc brakes except when
> > in 2WD.
>
> Don't get me started on 4WD drivers :-)
I am one, and I know how to drive
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 02:09:59PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 04:43:33PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > That's a stupid advert. What it actually demonstrates is that the
> > driver in the advert doesn't know how to brake in an emergency
> > situation - the car slides to a halt w
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:20:48PM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
> assume perfect driver, what is difference in stopping distance 30mph cf
> 35mph
According to the ODOT Driver Manual[1], page 39 (in the PDF, 33 on
printed page), you add another 80
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 04:43:33PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> That's a stupid advert. What it actually demonstrates is that the
> driver in the advert doesn't know how to brake in an emergency
> situation - the car slides to a halt with its front wheels lo
Pigeon wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 08:07:07AM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
Nano Nano wrote:
I'm a grown adult who in various small ways makes a conscious choice to
violate certain laws, in a non-harmful way. This occurs at many levels
in society (5 miles over the speed limit). Th
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 08:07:07AM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
> Nano Nano wrote:
> >I'm a grown adult who in various small ways makes a conscious choice to
> >violate certain laws, in a non-harmful way. This occurs at many levels
> >in society (5 miles over the speed limit). The distinctio
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