Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-18 Thread David Clymer
On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 22:34 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:27:07AM -0400, David Clymer wrote: > > Perhaps he's saying 'apt-get' and meaning 'dpkg' > > Thank you, but unlike most users of unstable today, I do actually know the > difference between the two. To be honest, I f

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-17 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:27:07AM -0400, David Clymer wrote: > Perhaps he's saying 'apt-get' and meaning 'dpkg' Thank you, but unlike most users of unstable today, I do actually know the difference between the two. I also know the difference between a low-level tool written as a demonstration of

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-17 Thread David Clymer
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 23:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 20:56 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 02:28:08PM -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > > > On Tuesday 13 September 2005 2:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] > > Regarding package managers... apt-get isn't a

Re: still no sound juicer (was Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today)

2005-09-16 Thread C Shore
If you want to keep the packages installed to satisfy dependencies while using aptitude you can 1) mark the package you want to remove and press 'g' as usual. 2) Now you should have a listing the packages that will be removed. 3) Mark the ones you want keep ('+'), then press 'q'. 4) You're

Re: still no sound juicer (was Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today)

2005-09-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:17:23PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 01:13:16PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > > er .. a little question. What packages will be removed if I remove gnome > > and gnome-desktop-environment. I am guessing since there are > > metapackages, nothing else will be r

Re: still no sound juicer (was Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today)

2005-09-16 Thread H.S.
Apparently, _Marc Wilson_, on 16/09/05 02:17,typed: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 01:13:16PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > >>er .. a little question. What packages will be removed if I remove gnome >>and gnome-desktop-environment. I am guessing since there are >>metapackages, nothing else will be removed. > >

Re: still no sound juicer (was Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today)

2005-09-15 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 01:13:16PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > er .. a little question. What packages will be removed if I remove gnome > and gnome-desktop-environment. I am guessing since there are > metapackages, nothing else will be removed. Nothing *should* be removed, although apparently if you use

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 9/15/05, Byron Hillis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Therefore if you install g-d-e and it pulls in everything for your GNOME > desktop environment, then ALL the packages that it does pull in will be > marked as Automatic. Therefore, if through a dependency problem, i.e. > sound-juicer, the g-d

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-15 Thread Byron Hillis
On 14/09/05, Katipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I don't know if he's trolling. > He comes across as someone who uses one app. and therefore nothing else > is any good. > > I've used aptitude for a couple of years now, on dial-up, go to bed on > the upgrade, wake up in the morning, and every

Re: still no sound juicer (was Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today)

2005-09-15 Thread H.S.
Apparently, _H.S._, on 15/09/05 12:38,typed: > So what's keeping sound juicer from coming into Etch? I mean, how come > it is still not there? Looks like there are some issues with Etch and > Gnome 2.10 that the Debian team is still trying to resolve. > > I wonder what made them release Gnome 2.10

still no sound juicer (was Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today)

2005-09-15 Thread H.S.
So what's keeping sound juicer from coming into Etch? I mean, how come it is still not there? Looks like there are some issues with Etch and Gnome 2.10 that the Debian team is still trying to resolve. I wonder what made them release Gnome 2.10 without sound juicer, or was it an oversight? ->HS

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-14 Thread Kent West
Katipo wrote: > I've used aptitude for a couple of years now, on dial-up, go to bed on > the upgrade, wake up in the morning, and everything's done. > Must be something wrong with me. Well, obviously! What self-respecting geek wakes up in the _morning_?! Well, okay, I guess 11AM is still consid

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-14 Thread Katipo
Jason Clinton wrote: On Tuesday 13 September 2005 10:43 pm, Marc Wilson wrote: I'm not feeding this troll any more. Well, I don't know if he's trolling. He comes across as someone who uses one app. and therefore nothing else is any good. I've used aptitude for a couple of years now, on

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Jason Clinton
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 10:43 pm, Marc Wilson wrote: I'm not feeding this troll any more. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09 pgpQguMjXvX5E.pgp Description: PGP signat

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 20:56 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 02:28:08PM -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > > On Tuesday 13 September 2005 2:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > Regarding package managers... apt-get isn't a package manager, has never > been billed as a package manager, a

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 02:28:08PM -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > On Tuesday 13 September 2005 2:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > That's why "we" don't like aptitude. It too aggressively removes > > things. > > Would the almighty Debian Gods decide which fraking package manager 'we' are > supposed t

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 02:28:08PM -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > Unless unstable happens to be going through an ABI change and you don't want > to babysit upgrades. Oh, that explains everything. You're one of those "turn the tools loose blindly and worry about what they've done after they've don

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:28:46AM -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > On Tuesday 13 September 2005 12:21 am, Marc Wilson wrote: > > Because the whole reason the "gnome-desktop-environment" *meta-package* > > exists is to give you a complete Gnome. Not Gnome minus whatever *this* > > cluebie doesn't lik

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 14:28 -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > On Tuesday 13 September 2005 2:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > That's why "we" don't like aptitude. It too aggressively removes > > things. > > Would the almighty Debian Gods decide which fraking package manager 'we' are > supposed to use?

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Jason Clinton
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 2:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > That's why "we" don't like aptitude. It too aggressively removes > things. Would the almighty Debian Gods decide which fraking package manager 'we' are supposed to use? I have seem countless times on this list that apt-get is deprecated

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:28 -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > On Tuesday 13 September 2005 12:21 am, Marc Wilson wrote: > > Because the whole reason the "gnome-desktop-environment" *meta-package* > > exists is to give you a complete Gnome. Not Gnome minus whatever *this* > > cluebie doesn't like, what

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello all, On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:34:18AM -0500, Jason Clinton wrote: > And actually it seems that someone made a mistake; according to this [0], the > sound-juicer should have fallen in to testing but someone missed it: It's more like sound-juicer has been left out deliberately, please see

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Jason Clinton
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 12:21 am, Marc Wilson wrote: > Because the whole reason the "gnome-desktop-environment" *meta-package* > exists is to give you a complete Gnome. Not Gnome minus whatever *this* > cluebie doesn't like, whatever *that* cluebie doesn't like, etc. And actually it seems th

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Jason Clinton
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 12:21 am, Marc Wilson wrote: > Because the whole reason the "gnome-desktop-environment" *meta-package* > exists is to give you a complete Gnome. Not Gnome minus whatever *this* > cluebie doesn't like, whatever *that* cluebie doesn't like, etc. > > If you don't like wha

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Paul E Condon
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:21:21PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:46:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 9/12/05, H. S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Neither can I. gnomeo-desktop-environment depends upon sound-juicer > > > > 2.10.1. And such a sound-juicer doesn

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Kent West
Mark Crean wrote: >On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 22:21 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > > >> Because the whole reason the "gnome-desktop-environment" *meta-package* >> >>exists is to give you a complete Gnome. Not Gnome minus whatever *this* >>cluebie doesn't like, whatever *that* cluebie doesn't like, etc.

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-13 Thread Mark Crean
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 22:21 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:46:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 9/12/05, H. S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Neither can I. gnomeo-desktop-environment depends upon sound-juicer > > > > 2.10.1. And such a sound-juicer doesn't exis

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Glenn English
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 19:08 -0600, Alejandro Bonilla Beeche wrote: > or is it because of the Debian Perfect way > of thinking? Exactly :-) -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG ID: D0D7FF20 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMA

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:46:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 9/12/05, H. S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Neither can I. gnomeo-desktop-environment depends upon sound-juicer > > > 2.10.1. And such a sound-juicer doesn't exist in Debian Testing at present. > > And this begs the questio

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 9/12/05, H. S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neither can I. gnomeo-desktop-environment depends upon sound-juicer > > 2.10.1. And such a sound-juicer doesn't exist in Debian Testing at present. And this begs the question, why does gnome-desktop-environment *depend* on something like sound-juicer

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread H. S.
On 9/12/05, Jason Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 12 September 2005 8:15 pm, Joseph H. Fry wrote:> I can't install it... Everything is there except sound-juicer (>=> 2.10.1) which gnome-desktop-environment depends upon.  Is this a bug?> Has anyone managed a way around this?  Or is it m

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Jason Clinton
On Monday 12 September 2005 8:15 pm, Joseph H. Fry wrote: > I can't install it... Everything is there except sound-juicer (>= > 2.10.1) which gnome-desktop-environment depends upon. Is this a bug? > Has anyone managed a way around this? Or is it me? I have the same problem. It looks like tomorro

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Joseph H. Fry
Alejandro Bonilla Beeche wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 16:38 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:48:44PM -0400, Colin wrote: Jason Clinton wrote: Around 10:30 UTC, all the mirrors should have Gnome 2.10 on them. Great. When will they have Gnome 2.12?

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Alejandro Bonilla Beeche
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 16:38 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:48:44PM -0400, Colin wrote: > > Jason Clinton wrote: > > > Around 10:30 UTC, all the mirrors should have Gnome 2.10 on them. > > > > Great. When will they have Gnome 2.12? > > Gee, sometime after unstable has it,

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:48:44PM -0400, Colin wrote: > Jason Clinton wrote: > > Around 10:30 UTC, all the mirrors should have Gnome 2.10 on them. > > Great. When will they have Gnome 2.12? Gee, sometime after unstable has it, wouldn't you think? Yet another "I'm just gonna DIE! if I can't ve

Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Colin
Jason Clinton wrote: > Around 10:30 UTC, all the mirrors should have Gnome 2.10 on them. Great. When will they have Gnome 2.12? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

2005-09-12 Thread Jason Clinton
Around 10:30 UTC, all the mirrors should have Gnome 2.10 on them. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09 pgp9TSC7oqURL.pgp Description: PGP signature