Re: Great Debian experience

On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:46:06 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: > > ... > I should probably explain my propensity to install a base system, get > it running, and then use the package manager to add the rest. It comes > from long years of usage of Red Hat, Caldera, Mandrake/Mandriva, and > Ubuntu. On

Re: Great Debian experience

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 07:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell wrote: > On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: > > > > ... > > I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. > > ... > > Then I did the following: > > > > apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies > > apt-get install synap

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-25 12:08:12 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Alt-SysRq-F is disabled on sid: > mar 25 12:03:28 sid kernel: SysRq : This sysrq operation is disabled. But what if someone logs in, uses all the memory left (possibly not even in a malicious way) so that this triggers the OOM killer, and the O

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Vi, 21 mar 14, 10:34:03, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:46:38AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > > > You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is > > > locked. > > > > Seriously? I'd find t

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Mon 24 Mar 2014 at 12:37:36 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2014-03-23 21:06:55 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > Seems I'm a little bit old-fashioned ;-) > > According to the man-page Xsession(5) the system scripts take care of using > > a > > log-file, given that you indeed don't have ~

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-23 21:06:55 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Seems I'm a little bit old-fashioned ;-) > According to the man-page Xsession(5) the system scripts take care of using a > log-file, given that you indeed don't have ~/.xinitrc . > So maybe the man-page of startx(1) has to be updated, since i

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Seems I'm a little bit old-fashioned ;-) According to the man-page Xsession(5) the system scripts take care of using a log-file, given that you indeed don't have ~/.xinitrc . So maybe the man-page of startx(1) has to be updated, since it only talks about ~/.xinitrc . Best regards, Jörg-Volker.

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 21:19:59 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-03-22 20:14 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > This is the fourth or fifth time in this thread a recommendation to use > > ~/.xinitrc has been made. No sensible Debian user would have such a file > > in his account. > > Care to elaborate

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 15:02:58 -0500, Bill Wood wrote: > On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 19:14 +, Brian wrote: >. . . > > This is the fourth or fifth time in this thread a recommendation to use > > ~/.xinitrc has been made. No sensible Debian user would have such a file > > in his account. A happy D

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-22 20:14 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 17:50:11 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > >> Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote, on 03/22/2014 16:52: >> > In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command >> > startx, something like the following snippet could be in

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 19:14 +, Brian wrote: . . . > This is the fourth or fifth time in this thread a recommendation to use > ~/.xinitrc has been made. No sensible Debian user would have such a file > in his account. A happy Debian system is one with ~/.xsession. I'm a Debian newbie, so --

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Sat 22 Mar 2014 at 17:50:11 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote, on 03/22/2014 16:52: > > In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command > > startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted into the file > > ~/.xinitrc : This is

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote, on 03/22/2014 16:52: > In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command > startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted into the file > ~/.xinitrc : > > > sessid="${HOSTNAME:-$(uname -n)}-${DISPLAY##*:}" > > # Send output to fi

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-22 02:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: >>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: >>> [snip] I never

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

In order to keep the output of the X-session when starting with the command startx, something like the following snippet could be inserted into the file ~/.xinitrc : sessid="${HOSTNAME:-$(uname -n)}-${DISPLAY##*:}" # Send output to file # logfile="${XDG_CACHE_HOME:-$HOME}/xinit-${sessid}.log" :

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Brian wrote: > On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com > wrote: > > > I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your > > laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer > > with you, be

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-21 13:35:37 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > To cure my paranoia of having stdout going to an unknown place, I made > the following executable /usr/local/bin/exx: > > == > #!/bin/bash > startx > /dev/null & exit > == > >

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-21 17:13:41 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > The fact that it is multi-user doesn't mean that it will necessarily > > be used by several desktop users. > > You can remove spawning the getty on tty you don't want to use. > > I don't know how to do this wit

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your > laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer > with you, because it's easier to just walk off with it than to dink > w

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your > laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer > with you, because it's easier to just walk off with it than to dink > w

Re: Great Debian experience

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > > > >> [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to > >> use an mini-ITX box there would not be

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:06:03 + > Robin wrote: > > > I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your > > machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and > > change the root

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:25:14 +0100 "Valerio Vanni" wrote: > "Brian" ha scritto nel messaggio > news:21032014113647.c62190855...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk > > > For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx & > > exit' prevent the termination of an X session even if CTRL+ALT

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com writes: > I think it depends on the situation. If you're at the library with your > laptop and need to go to the bathroom, it's best to take the computer > with you, because it's easier to just walk off with it than to dink > with the command prompt. Easier a

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:06:03 + Robin wrote: > I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your > machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and > change the root password? Unless you have a BIOS password or encrypted root partition (or encrypted partiti

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:24:21 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:19:46PM +, Brian wrote: > >Ctrl+Alt+F1...F12 > > For systems with virtual terminal support, these keystroke > > combinations are used to switch to virtual terminals 1 > > throug

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Vincent Lefevre writes: > The fact that it is multi-user doesn't mean that it will necessarily > be used by several desktop users. You can remove spawning the getty on tty you don't want to use. I don't know how to do this with systemd... With init you had some nice and well commented entries i

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-21 11:41:29 +, Brian wrote: > For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx & exit' > prevent the termination of an X session even if CTRL+ALT+FN etc gets > console access? Doing the exit immediately can have some side effects in some configurations. For instance, my

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-21 10:34:03 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:46:38AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > > > You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is > > > locked. > > > > Seriously? I'd find

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 14:25:14 +0100, Valerio Vanni wrote: > "Brian" ha scritto nel messaggio > news:21032014113647.c62190855...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk > > > For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx & exit' > > prevent the termination of an X session even if CTRL+ALT

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Friday 21 March 2014 11:06:03 Robin wrote: > If someone has physical access to your > machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and > change the root password? The default on Debian since I have been using it is that the root password is required for access via single user

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > > > Le 21.03.2014 13:54, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : > > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > > > Can't ~/.xinitrc force startx to logout? > > > > H, maybe if you start x with . xinitrc . Me _idiot_! (despite the triple expresso shot). I sh

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

"Brian" ha scritto nel messaggio news:21032014113647.c62190855...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk > For the situation when X is started with startx would 'startx & exit' > prevent the termination of an X session even if CTRL+ALT+FN etc gets > console access? I've always used "startx & exit", and

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 21 March 2014 11:18, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:06:03AM +, Robin wrote: >> I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your >> machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and >> change the root password? > > Maybe, maybe not. Conso

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/21/2014 12:43 AM, Ken Heard wrote: > On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > >>> [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to >>> use an mini-ITX box there would not be roo

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Le 21.03.2014 13:54, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > Can't ~/.xinitrc force startx to logout? H, maybe if you start x with . xinitrc . Would you forgive me if I don't do the test right now and continue to do the work I am paid for :) ? Currently, yo

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > Can't ~/.xinitrc force startx to logout? H, maybe if you start x with . xinitrc . Would you forgive me if I don't do the test right now and continue to do the work I am paid for :) ? -- /\ ___Ubuntu: anci

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Le 20.03.2014 02:44, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less command-prompt comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI via the desktop manager. But when setting it up for myself or for people technically sharp enough to log in and then type "

Re: Great Debian experience

Le 19.03.2014 15:03, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Wednesday 19 March 2014 11:25:44 Stephen Powell wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT), Steve Litt wrote: > ... > I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. > ... > Then I did the following: > > apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies > apt

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 11:18:19 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:06:03AM +, Robin wrote: > > I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your > > machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and > > change the root password? > > Maybe

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:06:03AM +, Robin wrote: > I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your > machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and > change the root password? Maybe, maybe not. Console access doesn't have to mean complete access. The s

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

I may have missed something. If someone has physical access to your machine can't they just power off and go into single user mode and change the root password? -- rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 10:24:54 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 09:52:03AM +, Brian wrote: > > In an xterm (with or without using DontVTSwitch): > > > >brian@localhost:~$ chvt 4 > >Couldn't gat a file descriptor referring to the console > > > > Doubt no longer

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:46:38AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is > > locked. > > Seriously? I'd find that to be a severe bug in the said locking > application. It

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 09:52:03AM +, Brian wrote: > In an xterm (with or without using DontVTSwitch): > >brian@localhost:~$ chvt 4 >Couldn't gat a file descriptor referring to the console > > Doubt no longer. :) Try via sudo. (risk reduced to: X session left open, terminal left open

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Fri 21 Mar 2014 at 09:24:21 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:19:46PM +, Brian wrote: > >Ctrl+Alt+F1...F12 > > For systems with virtual terminal support, these keystroke > > combinations are used to switch to virtual terminals 1 > > thro

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Vi, 21 mar 14, 09:52:09, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is > locked. Seriously? I'd find that to be a severe bug in the said locking application. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic disc

Re: Great Debian experience

On Vi, 21 mar 14, 08:10:44, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 21 March 2014 05:06:52 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > However, if you > > are running amd64 (64 bit) instead of i386 (32 bit) those kernels > > will not be available for you to install via apt-get. > > I get them via aptitude on Wheezy. I init

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 02:19:46PM +, Brian wrote: >Ctrl+Alt+F1...F12 > For systems with virtual terminal support, these keystroke > combinations are used to switch to virtual terminals 1 > through 12, respectively. This can be disabled with the > DontVTSwitc

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

Andrei POPESCU writes: > 3. any user, with or without root access, who doesn't lock his > workstation as needed[1] deserves his fate. And does not uses startx; exit You can access the console X was started from even when the machine is locked. -- /\ ___

Re: Great Debian experience

On Friday 21 March 2014 05:06:52 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > However, if you > are running amd64 (64 bit) instead of i386 (32 bit) those kernels > will not be available for you to install via apt-get. I get them via aptitude on Wheezy. I initially installed the backported kernel (new hardware), and

Re: Great Debian experience

On Friday 21 March 2014 04:29:25 Ken Heard wrote: > I discovered just a few minutes ago (c. 11:00 2014-03-21 Friday > where I am) that the latest kernel in wheezy-backports is > 3.13.0.bpo1-amd64 Thanks for the heads up Ken. Have just run full-upgrade. Though I will have ot resatrt to change ke

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Jo, 20 mar 14, 12:44:21, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Anyone with physical access to your computer could: > > a) logout of your gui session (if it's not screensaver locked), taking > them back to your command line, and depending on your settings of > /etc/sudoers tty_tickets or respectively !tty

Re: Great Debian experience

On 21/03/14 16:28, Ken Heard wrote: > On 2014-03-21 04:30, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:33:17 +0700 Ken Heard >> wrote: > >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: >>> * Tel

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-21 04:30, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:33:17 +0700 Ken Heard > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: >> >>> * T

Re: Great Debian experience

On Jo, 20 mar 14, 21:51:25, Ken Heard wrote: > > Since reading your post I discovered that the latest kernel now > available is 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 which I will now install. There are > other kernels mentioned in wheezy-backports labelled "pae". Since I > don't know what that means I will avoid t

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-21 00:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > >> [snip] I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to >> use an mini-ITX box there would not be room in it for more than >> the two hard drives already

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-20 21:51, Ken Heard wrote: > On 2014-03-20 21:19, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> I have Wheezy 7.4, Trinity 3.5.13.2 and a backported kernel, >> currently 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64. I have done nothing special - >> just updated and upgraded fairly often

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:33:17 +0700 Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > > > * Tell it to include the nonfree repos > > Did not, but ending up installing the ones I needed anyway. Hi Ken, Humor m

Re: Great Debian experience

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 03:12:12AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > Am I missing something here?  > > When I dig into my LVM setup, I note that much of the LVM functionality seems > to be oriented to providing RAID-like functionality. Would that explain why > people don't seem to be using LVM together w

Re: Great Debian experience

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > > > [snip] > > I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an > > mini-ITX box there would not be room in it for more than the two hard > > drives already there and used for the RAI

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > [snip] > I never did get LVM going on top of RAID1. Since I had to use an > mini-ITX box there would not be room in it for more than the two hard > drives already there and used for the RAID1. I consequently made a > virtue out of necessity by deciding tha

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 09:51:25PM +0700, Ken Heard wrote: > Since reading your post I discovered that the latest kernel now > available is 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 which I will now install. There are > other kernels mentioned in wheezy-backports labelled "pae". Since I > don't know what that means I

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 22:48:49 -0400, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:44:21 +1100 > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > SO: what to do? > > > > What I did for a while was: > > a) log in to Linux console > > b) startx; exit > > Outstanding! I'm going to start doing th

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-20 22:12, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 20 March 2014 14:51:25 Ken Heard wrote: >> I also seem to remember that about a year ago you had trouble >> activating sound in your machine. I will work on that problem >> when I have time. > > Ye

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thursday 20 March 2014 14:51:25 Ken Heard wrote: >  I also seem to > remember that about a year ago you had trouble activating sound in > your machine.  I will work on that problem when I have time. Yes. :-( And my husband's sound is still not working - he only wanted it for the first time th

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-20 21:19, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I have Wheezy 7.4, Trinity 3.5.13.2 and a backported kernel, > currently 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64. I have done nothing special - just > updated and upgraded fairly often. Would this newer kernel perhaps > solve som

Re: Great Debian experience

Hi, Ken, On Thursday 20 March 2014 13:33:17 Ken Heard wrote: > I think having new hardware newer than available drivers probably > did contribute to some of my problems. I did not however want to > try something new like one of the buntus, even though they are > based on Debian; so I stuck with w

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Thu 20 Mar 2014 at 12:44:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less command-prompt > > comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI via the desktop > > manager. But when setting it up for myself or for people technically > > sharp enough

Re: Great Debian experience

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 23:02, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > I have a specific set of secrets: > > * Use the network installer, Did CLI (ncurses) mode, Was not sure what these were but discovered that I did use CLI but not ncurses. Expert In

Re: Great Debian experience

On 20/03/14 22:29, Joel Rees wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Zenaan Harkness > wrote: > > On 3/20/14, Patrick Bartek > wrote: > >> Here's some guidelines to reduce install/run problems. > >> 2. Motherboard and graphic card chips

Re: d-i LVM bugs and sound [Re: Great Debian experience]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-03-19 22:31, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: >> My latest experience was a new installation of Wheezy in a new >> box. It took me the entire month of January to get the OS and >> essential applications to the point

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 3/20/14, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Here's some guidelines to reduce install/run problems. > > > 2. Motherboard and graphic card chips can be a problem in general, new > > or old. I try to stick with nVidia, Realtek and AMD. I avoid

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-20, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > For instance, type: > > sleep 2; exit > > and Ctrl-C just after. The "sleep 2" is interrupted, but "exit" > isn't run. > > You could still do "exec startx", but this may not be OK if you > want *logout files to be sourced for clean-up. Not using sudo wo

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thursday 20 March 2014 00:12:53 Charles Kroeger wrote: > I'm awfully American but I once lived in your country for many > enjoyable years. Tell me this, are you English Scottish Welsh > Northern Irish or just British I'm a European British English Cockney. Well, I would be if the Germans hadn

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 2014-03-20 12:44:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > When logging in at the Linux console (on current kernels at least), > then running startx, there is a security problem: > > Anyone with physical access to your computer could: > > a) logout of your gui session (if it's not screensaver locked)

Re: Great Debian experience

Helmut Wollmersdorfer writes: > Desktops and laptops get whole disk or whole free space. I admit that a common user could not be able to benefit from LVM, but keeping at least system software on one partitions and homes on another could ease distribution reinstallations. -- /\

Re: Great Debian experience

Am 19.03.2014 um 15:32 schrieb Ken Heard : > > My latest experience was a new installation of Wheezy in a new box. > It took me the entire month of January to get the OS and essential > applications to the point where the machine became usable. Yes it > works, but so does a Ford model T. For

Re: Great Debian experience

>> > 4. Stick with manufacturers who overtly support Linux. >> >> Which certainly includes Intel (these days) in a pretty big way! > > It's been so long (years!) since I read anything regarding Intel that > because of what you've said, perhaps it's time I catch up with > what Intel's been up to. h

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 20/03/14 13:48, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:44:21 +1100 > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >>> Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less >>> command-prompt comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI >>> via the desktop manager. But when set

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 02:10:01 +0100 Scott Ferguson wrote: > or *cough* Orkadian *cough* :) The selkie that deud no' forget Ae time langsine, Mansie Meur wus pickan' lempeds i' the ebb, on the wast side o' Hacksness i' Sanday, whin he wus stunned tae hear some wey amang the rocks a unco' ceurio

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 3/20/14, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Here's some guidelines to reduce install/run problems. > > > 2. Motherboard and graphic card chips can be a problem in general, > > new or old. I try to stick with nVidia, Realtek and AMD. I avoid > > Intel a

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

>> their way with the machine. > > Of course. This is simply one extra layer of protection, and will only > protect you against a quick-and-dirty type attach which might > otherwise be done in just a few seconds. This script can prevent that > type of physical-access attack,

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On 3/20/14, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:44:21 +1100 > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> > Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less >> > command-prompt comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI >> > via the desktop manager. But when setting

Re: Great Debian experience

On 3/20/14, Patrick Bartek wrote: > Here's some guidelines to reduce install/run problems. > 2. Motherboard and graphic card chips can be a problem in general, new > or old. I try to stick with nVidia, Realtek and AMD. I avoid Intel and > Broadcom, particularly the newest chips. Older ones are

Re: Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:44:21 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less > > command-prompt comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI > > via the desktop manager. But when setting it up for myself or for > > people technically sharp enough t

Re: Great Debian experience

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > It never ceases to amaze me that there are people can get various > iterations of Debian "working out of the box". Ever since Sarge I > have had no end of trouble either with new installations or upgrades

Security Implications of running startx from command line - was Re: Startx: was Great Debian experience

> Yeah, when making a machine for a less technical or less command-prompt > comfortable person, I like to have it boot into GUI via the desktop > manager. But when setting it up for myself or for people technically > sharp enough to log in and then type "startx" (and people you can > trust with the

Re: Great Debian experience

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 07:18:09 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Deo Soli Debianae Invicto Seculari > > While we are correcting each other, Liddle and Scott prefers > saeculari. You must be American! Bohemians. The whole lot of us. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debi

Re: Great Debian experience

On 20/03/14 11:12, Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 00:30:03 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> You must be American! > > I'm awfully American but I once lived in your country for many enjoyable > years. > Tell me this, are you English Scottish Welsh Northern Irish or just British or *

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 00:30:03 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > You must be American! I'm awfully American but I once lived in your country for many enjoyable years. Tell me this, are you English Scottish Welsh Northern Irish or just British I got the original from a reference to Mithra (the sun god not

Re: Great Debian experience

Reposting to try to get this in the correct thread. On Wednesday 19 March 2014 17:47:20 Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > fenestral hordes. > > I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been > more proper to use the term 'fenes

Re: Great Debian experience

On Wednesday 19 March 2014 23:18:09 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 19 March 2014 17:47:20 Charles Kroeger wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > fenestral hordes. > > > > I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been > > more proper to us

Re: Great Debian experience

On Wednesday 19 March 2014 19:45:58 Stephen Powell wrote: > Perhaps you suggested this in another thread, but I don't see it it > this thread, Lisi. Probably - I didn't check. I was just referring to your reference to the information being too late for thsi install. > But I believe that the met

Re: Great Debian experience

On Wednesday 19 March 2014 17:47:20 Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > fenestral hordes. > > I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been > more proper to use the term 'fenestrated' it is an adjective. In > anatomy, this would

Re: Great Debian experience

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Scott Ferguson < scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 20/03/14 04:47, Charles Kroeger wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > >> fenestral hordes. > > > > I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have be

Re: Great Debian experience

On 20/03/14 04:47, Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:10:02 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> fenestral hordes. > > I rather like your description of them but wouldn't it have been more proper > to use > the term 'fenestrated' it is an adjective. In anatomy, this would apply to > 'ha

Re: Great Debian experience

On 20/03/14 01:32, Ken Heard wrote: > It never ceases to amaze me that there are people can get various > iterations of Debian "working out of the box". That it does happen is testament that "Debian does things right". The vast majority of people who install Debian for their own use make little o

Re: Great Debian experience, part 2

I'm running squeeze on a 2003 IBM T40 - also 2Gig. It runs fine and runs Lotus Notes fine as well. I'm backlevel because Notes is broken on the latest Gnome. It's just a machine I use to boot, look, shutdown and it's wonderfully fast for that. Replaced Windows XP which was a pig and going out o

Startx: was Great Debian experience

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 14:03:03 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > Choosing XFCE from the beginning has already been suggested.I > suggested choosing expert install and then choosing XFCE before being > taken back to the ordinary installation. This also has the advantage > that you don't have to type

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