Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-06 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:26:37PM -0400, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: For example, a couple of months ago I transitioned my Lab's email/webserver from RedHat 9 to Debian. The previous admin had tons-o-crap installed, including a full desktop environment, GNOME, KDE, and all

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-06 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 03:11:50PM -0400, Dan Anderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Total size with the install of Woody. the MySQL database, and the webconent for the two domains we host: 890 MB FWIW I've installed sub 150MB debian installs. 113 MiB ;-) The Potato base2_2.tar.gz,

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-06 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 09:21 AM 10/6/2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 03:11:50PM -0400, Dan Anderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Total size with the install of Woody. the MySQL database, and the webconent for the two domains we host: 890 MB FWIW I've installed sub 150MB debian installs. 113

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-05 Thread Mike Egglestone
Quoting Aaron Cimolini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey Mike, Sounds like you are looking for some weight for your argument that debian is the best. For some apps yes! But in a situation with these macs you may be better off getting a mix of OSX servers and some debian boxes for the PCs. Yeah, I

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-04 Thread Aaron Cimolini
Hey Mike, Sounds like you are looking for some weight for your argument that debian is the best. For some apps yes! But in a situation with these macs you may be better off getting a mix of OSX servers and some debian boxes for the PCs. I have worked with OS X server version 10.1.4 and it was

Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Mike Egglestone
Hi All, I'm a system's admin looking after several different sites at which most of them have woody servers. But some of the staff are pushing for OSX servers. The workstations range from PC's to Imacs. running all different OS's. I'm finding it difficult to convince them that OSX is not the way

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Dan Anderson
Are there any other benefits of debian that out way it from OSX? Just out of curiosity, if you were running Debian what architecture would you be running it on? If you were going to be using the new G5 regardless, I'd point out that many applications benefit from 64 bit architectures

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Mike Egglestone said on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:20:25AM -0700: I'm finding it difficult to convince them that OSX is not the way to go. We all know the reasons why Debian is so Great, but they can't see it. The biggest push is that the OSX server can have workgroups for accounts and thus lock

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Dan Anderson wrote: On the other hand, like so many distributions designed for those without a good grasp of computers, OS X probably puts a lot of load on the machine with superfluous programs. When I install debian I only install the kernel modules I want, and only install the packages I want,

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Mike Egglestone
Quoting Dan Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just out of curiosity, if you were running Debian what architecture would you be running it on? If you were going to be using the new G5 regardless, I'd point out that many applications benefit from 64 bit architectures (mySQL is a good

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Mike Egglestone
Quoting Mark Ferlatte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I haven't seen any uptime or speed benchmarks, so I can't comment on either Debian vs. OS X with respect to uptime or speed. I would guess that you would require a bit less downtime with Debian, since you would be able to just apt-get update upgrade

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Dan Anderson
Total size with the install of Woody. the MySQL database, and the webconent for the two domains we host: 890 MB FWIW I've installed sub 150MB debian installs. Of course there's a lot of stuff missing. Also, to elaborate, all programs (packages) installed are potential security holes. With a

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Dan Anderson
I don't think so. I'm the one that has to support the box in the end, and why should I pull my hair out administering OSX server when I know a Linux box can do basically the same thing. Devil's Advocate Well, from the perspective of a boss I'd say it's not about you. You're being

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Clive Menzies
On (03/10/03 12:02), Mike Egglestone wrote: Quoting Mark Ferlatte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I haven't seen any uptime or speed benchmarks, so I can't comment on either Debian vs. OS X with respect to uptime or speed. I would guess that you would require a bit less downtime with Debian, since

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Ernest Johanson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Mike Egglestone wrote: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:20:25 -0700 From: Mike Egglestone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help, OSX vs Linux Hi All, I'm a system's admin looking after several different sites at which most of them have

Re: Help, OSX vs Linux

2003-10-03 Thread Mike Egglestone
Quoting Dan Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, from the perspective of a boss I'd say it's not about you. You're being paid to pull your hair out, so if the gains in productivity from Apple hardware and OS are worth more then the cost and your salary, your boss is probably not going to