Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-14, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: In Europe we have 220 Volts between phase and neutre, and 380 Volts between two phases (if your house is wired for three-phase current). Paraguay is in Europe now? Cheers, Ron. -- Ordinary language is an accretion

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Ron
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:01:07 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: In Europe we have 220 Volts between phase and neutre, and 380 Volts between two phases (if your house is wired for three-phase current). Paraguay is in Europe now? Never claimed it was, why ? Cheers, Ron. PS

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:22:50AM CET, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org said: On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:01:07 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: In Europe we have 220 Volts between phase and neutre, and 380 Volts between two phases (if your house is wired for three-phase

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 15 December 2014 09:22:50 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:01:07 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: In Europe we have 220 Volts between phase and neutre, and 380 Volts between two phases (if your house is wired for three-phase current). Paraguay is in Europe

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Ron
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:46:49 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: In Europe we have 220 Volts between phase and neutre, and 380 Volts between two phases (if your house is wired for three-phase current). Paraguay is in Europe now? Never claimed it was, why ? In

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread mourik jan heupink
On 12/15/2014 11:36, Erwan David wrote: Europe is officialy 230 V, which with the allowed interval around the nominal value permitted to accept continental 220 V and UK 240 V. Yes, that's exactly my understanding of things here at the moment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.12.2014 22:48, mourik jan heupink - merit a écrit : Hi, berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. Are you sure? Starting from 2000 or so, the whole of europe has gradually changed to 230v, as a compromise between UK (240v) and the rest of europe

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread mourik jan heupink
I am not sure. But, how old is this reform? I have used voltmeters more than once, and have always read 220V. But, I have not had to find failures in an installation since at least few years, maybe 5-6 (which is a long time when you still are not 30 years old, so I'm not sure about how many years

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 15/12/14 14:30, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 14.12.2014 22:48, mourik jan heupink - merit a écrit : Hi, berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. Are you sure? Starting from 2000 or so, the whole of europe has gradually changed to

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.12.2014 15:22, Tony van der Hoff a écrit : On 15/12/14 14:30, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 14.12.2014 22:48, mourik jan heupink - merit a écrit : Hi, berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. Are you sure? Starting from 2000 or so,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/14/2014 04:38 PM, John Hasler wrote: berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. In the USA as well. The normal wall outlets are 110 but 220 is brought into the house and used for things like stoves. The power utility's transformer has a 220V

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.12.2014 00:07, Ric Moore a écrit : On 12/12/2014 07:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.12.2014 11:43, claude juif a écrit : If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say : Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.12.2014 20:55, Joe a écrit : On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:53:48 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Does it not disturb anyone that most of the responses to this question have been about how the question was phrased, even though the intent was obvious. What does it say

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread John Hasler
berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. In the USA as well. The normal wall outlets are 110 but 220 is brought into the house and used for things like stoves. The power utility's transformer has a 220V secondary with a grounded center tap so that you

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread mourik jan heupink - merit
Hi, berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. Are you sure? Starting from 2000 or so, the whole of europe has gradually changed to 230v, as a compromise between UK (240v) and the rest of europe (220v). MJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread Joe
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:48:49 +0100 mourik jan heupink - merit heup...@merit.unu.edu wrote: Hi, berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. Are you sure? Starting from 2000 or so, the whole of europe has gradually changed to 230v, as a compromise

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread Ron
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:38:41 -0600 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: In the USA as well. The normal wall outlets are 110 but 220 is brought into the house and used for things like stoves. The power utility's transformer has a 220V secondary with a grounded center tap so that you get

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread Ron
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:48:49 +0100 mourik jan heupink - merit heup...@merit.unu.edu wrote: Hi, berenger.morel writes: In France, the electric network provide 220V to everyone. Are you sure? Starting from 2000 or so, the whole of europe has gradually changed to 230v, as a compromise

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 13.12.2014 20:55, Joe a écrit : On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:53:48 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Does it not disturb anyone that most of the responses to this question have been about how the question was phrased, even though the

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Joe
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:53:59 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/12/2014 06:30 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:07:03 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: So maybe we could consider a standard for home computer that it runs on 110V with less

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com [2014-12-12 18:07 -0500]: [...] I kept a Unisys 5000/90 that required 220V at 80 amps 17600 Watts! Unbelievable! Where are thus circuits fused? Elimar -- Obviously the human brain works like a computer. Since there are no stupid computers humans can't be

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Ron
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:42:47 +0100 Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de wrote: I kept a Unisys 5000/90 that required 220V at 80 amps 17600 Watts! Unbelievable! Where are thus circuits fused? I remember the first computer I worked with, a great 4Kb memory in ferrite torus, that had in the

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Chris Bannister
*simple* questions and *useful* answers? Surely. to get a useful answer, it is pointless to ask vague questions. The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? That doesn't read correctly phrased to me. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
there be between *simple* questions and *useful* answers? Surely. to get a useful answer, it is pointless to ask vague questions. The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? That doesn't read correctly phrased to me. Does it not disturb anyone that most

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Joe
the question To what personal uses, do people put their computers?. What correlation need there be between *simple* questions and *useful* answers? Surely. to get a useful answer, it is pointless to ask vague questions. The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Rusi Mody
phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? That doesn't read correctly phrased to me. Does it not disturb anyone that most of the responses to this question have been about how the question was phrased, even though the intent was obvious. What does it say about

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Richard Owlett
Bret Busby wrote: On 12/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN If we had trouble

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 12 December 2014 08:35:35 Richard Owlett wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 12/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread claude juif
wrote: On 12/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN If we had trouble

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.12.2014 17:49, Marty a écrit : As for what is growing, cloud computing, so they can look at our data and keep us safe. Cloud computing was here before the buzz-word. Cloud computing is composed by: _ mail server + web MUA _ FTP server + web interface _ wtf server + wtf web interface

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.12.2014 09:59, Curt a écrit : On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Can plan9 fully use 64 bit archs, modern GPUs and other things like that? By modern, I mean, less than 5

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.12.2014 05:05, Marty a écrit : On 12/10/2014 10:16 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: My wife, daughter and I each login to a separate vt. It makes no real difference who logs on to which vt, but usually we each log in to a particular vt. snip Space is the reason for a single computer. If I

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 12 dec 14, 12:41:38, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Oh, sorry, I just forgot that... linux is not desktop ready, right :) (day of troll here ;) ) but more seriously, currently, the apt/rpm/etc idea is being adopted by other desktop systems, the ones which have users saying that

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.12.2014 20:38, Ric Moore a écrit : On 12/11/2014 01:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: So much metaphorical male ovine faeces. And, that is not directed at Lisi; just at the people trying to impose their dubious opinions and classifications, of what is, and, what has been, and, of what

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.12.2014 13:19, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Vi, 12 dec 14, 12:41:38, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Oh, sorry, I just forgot that... linux is not desktop ready, right :) (day of troll here ;) ) but more seriously, currently, the apt/rpm/etc idea is being adopted by other desktop

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 12 dec 14, 13:32:56, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Plus, there is also the history: everyone knows what Windows looks like, even if they do not knows what is Windows. So, things are a little more complicated than the current pre-install thing. Also, there was an effort for

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.12.2014 13:37, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Vi, 12 dec 14, 13:32:56, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Plus, there is also the history: everyone knows what Windows looks like, even if they do not knows what is Windows. So, things are a little more complicated than the current

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.12.2014 11:43, claude juif a écrit : If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say :  Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical home computer today. Is this typical use, or average use? :p Because I would add, to typical, office suits

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Richard Owlett
claude juif wrote: If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say : Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical home computer today. Thank you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread claude juif
2014-12-12 13:47 GMT+01:00 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: Le 12.12.2014 11:43, claude juif a écrit : If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say : Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical home computer today. Is this typical use,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/12/14 11:41, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: The app store concept exists in Debian since ages! Not really. Notably, there is neither a billing framework, nor a place to put one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 12 dec 14, 12:41:38, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Oh, sorry, I just forgot that... linux is not desktop ready, right :) (day of troll here ;) ) but more seriously, currently, the apt/rpm/etc idea is being adopted by other desktop systems, the ones which have

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.12.2014 17:49, Marty a écrit : As for what is growing, cloud computing, so they can look at our data and keep us safe. Cloud computing was here before the buzz-word. Cloud computing is composed by: _ mail server + web MUA _ FTP server + web

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.12.2014 14:00, Martin Read a écrit : Notably, there is neither a billing framework, nor a place to put one. True. But it would not be that hard to adapt it. Let's try a basic algo: #echo my.paying.repo /etc/apt/sources.list #apt-get update #mybillingscrip PackageIWantToPayFor - ask

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.12.2014 13:58, claude juif a écrit : 2014-12-12 13:47 GMT+01:00 : Le 12.12.2014 11:43, claude juif a écrit : If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say :  Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical home computer today. Is this

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 07:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.12.2014 11:43, claude juif a écrit : If i had to answer this question the way i understand it i will say : Browsers, Mails and sometimes Games. This is how i understand typical home computer today. Is this typical use, or

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 07:28 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.12.2014 20:38, Ric Moore a écrit : On 12/11/2014 01:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: So much metaphorical male ovine faeces. And, that is not directed at Lisi; just at the people trying to impose their dubious opinions and

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ron
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:07:03 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: So maybe we could consider a standard for home computer that it runs on 110V with less than X amount of watts? Except that for the greater part of the world it would be 220 Volts... Cheers, Ron. --

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 12 December 2014 23:30:08 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:07:03 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: So maybe we could consider a standard for home computer that it runs on 110V with less than X amount of watts? Except that for the greater part of the world

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: You beat me to it! So by this definition, home computers only exist at -5 GMT (Eastern USA?) or -6 GMT. Or -7 or -8 or -9 or -10 or +9. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread John Hasler
Also -4, -11, and +10. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/877fxwgyv0@thumper.dhh.gt.org

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/12/2014 06:30 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:07:03 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: So maybe we could consider a standard for home computer that it runs on 110V with less than X amount of watts? Except that for the greater part of the world it would

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 11 December 2014 07:22:07 Bret Busby wrote: Hence, is the term, in the context that it has been otherwise used in this thread, to refer instead, to multi-user computers, not a malapropism? The original term may or may not have been a malapropism. Let us not get into that. But it

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 07:22:07 Bret Busby wrote: Hence, is the term, in the context that it has been otherwise used in this thread, to refer instead, to multi-user computers, not a malapropism? The original term may or may not have

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
There is a sort of half-way house, whereby a second user can login to a workstation without the first user logging out, but the same keyboard and screen are used and the first user cannot do anything while the second user has control. I don't know how commonly used this is, Windows has had it

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Richard Owlett
the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5489aec9.3030...@cloud85.net

Re: How is typical home computer used today? (back to original question)

2014-12-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN Well... not sure we're typical, then again, as others have asked, what's typical? Anyway, in our home: Context: - house - FIOS connectivity, WiFi to most machines, hardwired ethernet

Re: How is typical home computer used today? (back to original question)

2014-12-11 Thread Richard Owlett
and *useful* answers? The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN Well... not sure we're typical, then again, as others have asked, what's typical? Anyway, in our home: [snip details] Thank you. That gives me a useful framework

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN If we had trouble understanding it, then you did *NOT* correctly phrase the question. And you have *STILL* not said

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Stefan Monnier wrote: There is a sort of half-way house, whereby a second user can login to a workstation without the first user logging out, but the same keyboard and screen are used and the first user cannot do anything while the second user has control. I don't know how commonly used this is,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Ron
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:52:22 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Well, let's not forget these other common(?) uses of home computers: - file/print server - media server - probably headless, accessed via browser on a tablet or smartphone - remote access from tablet or

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/11/2014 01:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: So much metaphorical male ovine faeces. And, that is not directed at Lisi; just at the people trying to impose their dubious opinions and classifications, of what is, and, what has been, and, of what should be. Do you suppose Debian has become refuge

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Joe
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:38:29 -0500 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/11/2014 01:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: So much metaphorical male ovine faeces. And, that is not directed at Lisi; just at the people trying to impose their dubious opinions and classifications, of what is,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN If we had trouble understanding it, then you did *NOT* correctly phrase the question. And you

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread seeker5528
On 12/10/2014 11:22 PM, Bret Busby wrote: I make the point that the term is a malapropism. Not that it is invalid. A car central computer, which performs functions like heating the seats, and, determining which seats are occupied, to illuminate seatbelt not fastened on seat position indicator,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I should know. GRIN If we had trouble understanding

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/12/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 14:48:41 Richard Owlett wrote: The OP correctly phrased the question as How is typical home computer used today? As I'm the OP, I

Re: How is typical home computer used today? (back to original question)

2014-12-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Well... not sure we're typical, then again, as others have asked, what's typical? Well put; this mailing list is, in itself, probably quite an atypical group of people, to which to put such a question; thence, what proportion of

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20141208_1214-0600, Richard Owlett wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org] Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Joe
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:39:41 -0700 Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: On 20141208_1214-0600, Richard Owlett wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: 2. 'Multi-seat' is several seats, which could only imply several persons    occupying those (several) seats. Yes, and all connected to a single somputer, but with two or more keyboards, monitors etc., logged in simultaneously.

RE: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Larry Owens
-Original Message- From: Lisi Reisz [mailto:lisi.re...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:52 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How is typical home computer used today? On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: 2. 'Multi-seat' is several

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/12/14 22:42, Joe wrote: Unix gained a lot by being networked and multi-user right from the start. Multi-user, yes. Networked? Nope - and if you look closely, it shows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 12/10/2014 02:42 PM, Joe wrote: Proof of Concept. A bit short of a prototype. There are two different concepts here, almost no home *workstation* will be used truly multi-seat i.e. with more than one person connected simultaneously to it. A home computer may have multiple users, but

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/10/2014 10:16 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:42 PM, Joe wrote: Proof of Concept. A bit short of a prototype. There are two different concepts here, almost no home *workstation* will be used truly multi-seat i.e. with more than one person connected simultaneously to it. A home

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: 2. 'Multi-seat' is several seats, which could only imply several persons occupying those (several) seats. Yes, and all connected to a single somputer, but with two or more

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 11 December 2014 06:17:39 Bret Busby wrote: And, with all of the definitions and contentions that people have, is a gateway/firewall server, as a single point of access to the Internet, and, also, as a separate device, a modem/router, that allows four connections from behind it,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: 2. 'Multi-seat' is several seats, which could only imply several persons occupying those (several) seats. Yes, and all connected to a single somputer, but with two or more

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2014 06:17:39 Bret Busby wrote: And, with all of the definitions and contentions that people have, is a gateway/firewall server, as a single point of access to the Internet, and, also, as a separate device, a

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I just object to such sweeping statements of male ovine faeces. Well, you're manifestly an authority in the matter, whereas this Rob Pike guy formerly from Bell Labs is some sort of newbie on whose opinion most of us wouldn't want to waste

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Bret Busby
for the thread, is How is typical home computer used today? So, what is your specified typical home computer? It is your specification. Why are you so unwilling to provide the detail;, of what you specify as typical? Does such an entity exist? And, since you refer to the application of statistics

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 20:46:56 Richard Owlett wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 08:59:34 Curt wrote: On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Which is going to be so up-to-date that it can't use anachronisms like multi-seat, which are

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 03:51:49AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: Oh, and, from what I understand, unless the statistics have changed, regarding the consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) from what I understand, most people who use computers do not use Linux as

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-09, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: from what I understand, most people who use computers do not use Linux as the operating system, and, most people who use computers, do not know what is Linux. Some use computers to trim their posts while, sadly, others do not.

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Marty
On 12/09/2014 04:55 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 08:59:34 Curt wrote: On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Which is going to be so up-to-date that it can't use

How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org] Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Exactly what is

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org] Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org] Le 08.12.2014

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Bret Busby wrote: On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org] Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP]

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Lars Noodén
On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by Multi-seat PC? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine would only ever be used by a specific individual. One of the

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by Multi-seat PC? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine would only ever be used by a specific individual.

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 03:51:49, Bret Busby wrote: Whether we like it or not, that is my understanding of most people who use computers - they probably believe that Linux is the name of some kind of cat or something. http://arcgraph.de/sr/linux/microsoft-linux.jpg Kind regards, Andrei --

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 04:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by Multi-seat PC? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com wrote: snip Unix and X were developed around time-sharing, and are showing their age. Here is a quote from a document I came across recently: What was wrong with Unix? Not only is UNIX dead, it’s starting to smell really bad. − Rob Pike circa

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Unix is not simple anymore. So, what up to date operating system is, now? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter