Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Wednesday 17 May 2017 15:57:29 G wrote: > I'm thinking installing Debian testing (stretch)on my laptop and then > follow stretch but i am wondering what will happen when todays Debian > testing becomes stable. Am i have to reinstall Debian when testing > becomes stable? No. > > I search

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 05:57:29PM +0300, G wrote: Hello. I'm new here so i would like to confirm/ask some questions. First of all as far as i can understand Debian stretch is frozen. And is becoming more and more stable since no more packages are added and from now on the development team just

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 05:57:29PM +0300, G wrote: > I'm thinking installing Debian testing (stretch)on my laptop and then > follow stretch but i am wondering what will happen when todays Debian > testing becomes stable. Am i have to reinstall Debian when testing > becomes stable? No. You just

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Hello. I'm new here so i would like to confirm/ask some questions. First of all as far as i can understand Debian stretch is frozen. And is becoming more and more stable since no more packages are added and from now on the development team just fix bugs. I'm thinking installing Debian testing

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 11:23 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: *ROFL!* ;/ I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI of an

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 02:18 PM, deloptes wrote: Thanatos Incarnate wrote: My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile, KDE having GUI

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 07:22 AM, Thanatos Incarnate wrote: Hello there, My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile, KDE having GUI

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:26:51PM -0400, Fungi4All wrote: > But in recent times have brought me various frustrations with deb... > particularly with resolv.conf acting as it has a mind of its own and > vanishing my set of dns collections and replacing them with its believed to > be best for me.

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 10:23 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: *ROFL!* ;/ I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI of an

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Fungi4All wrote: > The best thing about manjaro is that it is not ubuntu (which is like > Debian in drag without a personality) and I don't dare even look at > someone's machine that mentions mint. Ubuntu to me is like a Porsche 914, > a VW beatle mascaraded into a sports car. I'll just go with

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 11:04 PM, SDA wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: *ROFL!* ;/ I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI of an organization recently in the news. I investigated

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > *ROFL!* ;/ > I've been a computer _user_ for a half-century. > About 5 years ago I started seriously plotting my escape from the gloppy GUI > of an organization recently in the news. > I investigated "Linux from Scratch",

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

I've been cheating after years of being a debian purist. I do like lxde and often plain openbox with my custom panel. But in recent times have brought me various frustrations with deb... particularly with resolv.conf acting as it has a mind of its own and vanishing my set of dns collections and

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Richard Owlett composed on 2017-05-16 06:17 (UTC-0500): > On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: >> I wouldn't use dedicated boot partition in your case. For testing >> you can leave all on one partition. If you use dedicated boot >> partition and want to share it among different installs -

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Thanatos Incarnate wrote: > My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then > Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts > (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove > profile, KDE having GUI elements that follow your set theme,

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Tue 16 May 2017 at 08:58:27 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/16/2017 06:26 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > >On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:17:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: > >>>Richard Owlett wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > >>>mkdir test && cd test && zcat

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 06:26 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:17:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: mkdir test && cd test && zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -Hnewc -i I may not be "prophet or son of a

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/16/2017 06:22 AM, Thanatos Incarnate wrote: Hello there, Hi right back ;} My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile,

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:17:38AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: mkdir test && cd test && zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -Hnewc -i I may not be "prophet or son of a prophet", but I see a "lab practical" on parsing in

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Hello there, My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts (Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove profile, KDE having GUI elements that follow your set theme, but then also

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote: >> On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: >>> On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: > On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM,

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Sun 14 May 2017 at 08:57:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > 1. Can I retroactively choose "include all available drivers" and > if so, how? https://wiki.debian.org/Initrd

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Thank you. On 05/14/2017 07:09 AM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 14 May 2017 04:57:07 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Sun, 14 May 2017 04:57:07 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: > > On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 > > RavenLX wrote: > > > >> On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>> I have a partition whose label is

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: > >On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 > >RavenLX wrote: > > > >>On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>>I have a partition whose label is "common". > >> > >>I

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose label is "common". I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used to dual-boot Windows /

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400 RavenLX wrote: > On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have a partition whose label is "common". > > I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used > to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a partition whose label is "common". I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see why I'm not a fan of dual-boot, I guess! LOL!). I also used to dual boot SolydX and

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/13/2017 07:08 AM, RavenLX wrote: [snip] Also I hate dual-booting. I normally forget the other OS is there and it just sets there just taking up HD space instead. [snip] Having dual boot systems has it's advantages and disadvantages. But in my particular case, I've found virtual machines

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

RavenLX wrote: > On 05/10/2017 07:57 AM, songbird wrote: >>you can set up several partitions with different >> levels of fun if you want. > > My spare laptop has a 250 GB HD and the laptop I use all the time has a > 600 GB HD. I already have both partitioned for *one* OS - Debian 8. I >

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/10/2017 09:19 AM, Michael Milliman wrote: On 05/10/2017 06:57 AM, songbird wrote: [...] if you wanted to you could have one partition for booting the stable distribution and only update that when you have a good time for that. the thing with these setups is that in Debian you don't

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/10/2017 07:57 AM, songbird wrote: you can set up several partitions with different levels of fun if you want. My spare laptop has a 250 GB HD and the laptop I use all the time has a 600 GB HD. I already have both partitioned for *one* OS - Debian 8. I really don't want to go through

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 12:03 PM, RavenLX wrote: > My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do > sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have to > go and do some work right away on something important. Customers would

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

From: rave...@sitesplace.net >My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do >sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have >to go and do some work right away on something important. Customers >would be relying on my ability to fix things. So, I

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/10/2017 06:57 AM, songbird wrote: [...] > if you wanted to you could have one partition for > booting the stable distribution and only update that > when you have a good time for that. > > the thing with these setups is that in Debian you > don't have to get automatic updates if you

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

RavenLX wrote: > My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do > sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have > to go and do some work right away on something important. Customers > would be relying on my ability to fix things. So, I really

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

My system is used for work (I work from home exclusively) and stuff I do sometimes can be mission-critical in that if I'm notified, I might have to go and do some work right away on something important. Customers would be relying on my ability to fix things. So, I really can't afford something

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Mon 08 May 2017 at 17:07:34 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > experimental is not a distribution. Someone with a sense of humour gave > > it the codename "rc-buggy". At the present time many of the packages > > there are being held back from unstable

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 05:55:44PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare laptop > or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources list to > that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. At this point - except for an

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Brian wrote: > experimental is not a distribution. Someone with a sense of humour gave > it the codename "rc-buggy". At the present time many of the packages > there are being held back from unstable because of the freeze. Once > Stretch is officially released they will

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Mon 08 May 2017 at 12:13:30 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 08 May 2017 00:45:34 Michael Milliman wrote: > > Many people also run Experimental > > (Sid) for the benefit of bleeding-edge versions of software, but a lot > > of instability (in all senses of the word). > > No, Sid is not the

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 07:38:34PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > What list do I report bugs to and is there something online that tells > someone (who doesn't normally report bugs) the proper way to do bug reports? For most users, the preferred way is to run the reportbug program. You can see more

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

Michael Milliman wrote: > On 05/07/2017 04:19 PM, RavenLX wrote: >> On 05/07/2017 04:33 PM, cbannis...@kinect.co.nz wrote: >>> By the way, the words "unstable" "stable" as used in the distribution >>> names >>> don't mean likely to crash, --- it refers to the amount of changes >>> occurring, i.e.

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On Monday 08 May 2017 00:45:34 Michael Milliman wrote: > Many people also run Experimental > (Sid) for the benefit of bleeding-edge versions of software, but a lot > of instability (in all senses of the word). No, Sid is not the same as Experimental. Sid is Unstable. Then there is also

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/07/2017 04:19 PM, RavenLX wrote: > On 05/07/2017 04:33 PM, cbannis...@kinect.co.nz wrote: >> By the way, the words "unstable" "stable" as used in the distribution >> names >> don't mean likely to crash, --- it refers to the amount of changes >> occurring, i.e. 'stable' has no new packages

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 5/6/17, Michael Milliman wrote: > > On 05/06/2017 04:55 PM, RavenLX wrote: >> I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare >> laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources >> list to that repo on both laptops if

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/07/2017 04:33 PM, cbannis...@kinect.co.nz wrote: By the way, the words "unstable" "stable" as used in the distribution names don't mean likely to crash, --- it refers to the amount of changes occurring, i.e. 'stable' has no new packages entering it, and supposedly only security updates,

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

My pleasure. Good luck! 73's, de WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray On May 6, 2017 9:24 PM, "RavenLX" wrote: > On 05/06/2017 08:07 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: > >> That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times >> to determine where to report bugs.

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/06/2017 08:07 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times to determine where to report bugs. However, if the bug is within the Debian distribution, I would use the Debian bug reporter to report it, the development team will work with

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/06/2017 06:38 PM, RavenLX wrote: > On 05/06/2017 06:46 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: >> beta testing. Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage, >> most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably >> ready for production. However, they may still be a few

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/06/2017 06:46 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: beta testing. Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage, most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably ready for production. However, they may still be a few problems to be worked out...it is a beta after all.

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/06/2017 06:31 PM, Fungi4All wrote: First check the hardware differences that are supported, then take a look at the bug lists for testing and unstable to see if you are using any buggy packages that do not apply on stable. If you don't see anything that relates to your use you will be

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

On 05/06/2017 04:55 PM, RavenLX wrote: > I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare > laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources > list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. > I can't speak categorically, but In installed

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

From: rave...@sitesplace.net > I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare > laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources > list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. For my use and the packages I need both stretch and sid have

How stable is the frozen stretch?

I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough. My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still pretty much not suitable for