On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 08:41:13PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Max writes:
I have an old clunker that wouldn't take a big HDD so, being utterly
penniless I with great trepitation flashed the bios.
If it has a flashable BIOS it isn't a truly old clunker.
Depends on how old you are. :-)
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Bruno Buys wrote:
Nikolai Hlubek wrote:
[...]
Just get yourself a IDE (raid) controller card. The cheapest will do
since you are not going to use any of the raid features. I got one for
10 euros.
Install Linux on the original hard disk and attach your modern ones to
the IDE controller. My
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 03:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an old clunker that wouldn't take a big HDD so, being utterly
penniless I with great trepitation flashed the bios. It's not all that
hard and the box took an 80G hard drive no problem after that.
Even if it is an older machine
Hi everyone :-)
Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:17:57PM +0100, Graham Smith wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 21:45, Marty wrote:
You're ignoring the uses in between those two extremes. For example, why
use a modern machine, which uses 3 or 4 times the power, just for a
Nikolai Hlubek wrote:
Hi everyone :-)
Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:17:57PM +0100, Graham Smith wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 21:45, Marty wrote:
You're ignoring the uses in between those two extremes. For example, why
use a modern machine, which uses 3
Actually, I've tried using old klunkers to do backups, and discovered
that they can't take large hard disks. One of mine won't go beyond
about 128 gig, tha other gets stuck somewhere between 2.5G and 80 G.
I have an old clunker that wouldn't take a big HDD so, being utterly
penniless I with
Max writes:
I have an old clunker that wouldn't take a big HDD so, being utterly
penniless I with great trepitation flashed the bios.
If it has a flashable BIOS it isn't a truly old clunker.
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On Saturday 15 October 2005 08:50 pm, Marc Shapiro wrote:
Duncan Anderson wrote:
I agree with Rob. Obviously 200 dollars is a neglibible sum if you live
in the first world, but spare a thought for people in places where a
P1 with a 1GB hd is something amazing, even with Win98 on it.
On Saturday 15 October 2005 06:03, Marty wrote:
Hendrik Boom wrote:
Actually, I've tried using old klunkers to do backups, and discovered
that they can't take large hard disks. One of mine won't go beyond
about 128 gig, tha other gets stuck somewhere between 2.5G and 80 G.
I don't know
Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:17:57PM +0100, Graham Smith wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 21:45, Marty wrote:
You're ignoring the uses in between those two extremes. For example, why
use a modern machine, which uses 3 or 4 times the power, just for a
firewall or
On 14 Oct 05 18:03:52 GMT, Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Like I said, I don't have enough space in the new apartment to set up
multiple computers, but I dislike having computing power going to waste.
Can anyone suggest a way to network/connect all four to possibly
distribute the
Hodgins Family wrote:
Hey!
Just take them to a recycling center and buy something from this
decade used
for under 200.
Hold on a sec.
Why go through all the bother?
1) 200 bucks all at once may not be a feasible outlay.
2) some of the older software may run just fine on the older
Duncan writes:
I agree with Rob. Obviously 200 dollars is a neglibible sum if you live
in the first world...
This is not true. Not everyone in the first world is pulling down
$70,000 a year as a sysadmin.
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:46:04 +0200
Duncan Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Rob. Obviously 200 dollars is a neglibible sum if you
live in the first world, but spare a thought for people in
places where a P1 with a 1GB hd is something amazing, even with
Win98 on it.
And not all sysadmin jobs pay even half as much as $70,000/Year.
On 15 Oct 2005 at 10:17, John Hasler wrote:
Duncan writes:
I agree with Rob. Obviously 200 dollars is a neglibible sum if you live
in the first world...
This is not true. Not everyone in the first world is pulling down
Good afternoon:
I think this exchange sparked more discussion than Brendan anticipated. It
caught me, that's for sure.
Another few benefits of keeping old CPU's going hit me yesterday (after
buying a brand new battery for an 80386 motherboard -- the kind you have to
solder on!):
i) To the
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 01:03:30AM -0400, Marty wrote:
Hendrik Boom wrote:
Actually, I've tried using old klunkers to do backups, and discovered
that they can't take large hard disks. One of mine won't go beyond
about 128 gig; the other gets stuck somewhere between 2.5G and 80 G.
I don't
Duncan Anderson wrote:
I agree with Rob. Obviously 200 dollars is a neglibible sum if you live
in the first world, but spare a thought for people in places where a
P1 with a 1GB hd is something amazing, even with Win98 on it.
(Preferably something like Debian 2.1, though.)
I do live in the
OK. Like I'm guessing is the case with many of the users on this list,
I have a multitude of PCs around the house. Four to be exact. I used
to have three of them up and running, but that was before we moved.
Now, since I have a DSL connection, I no longer have my desktop
connected to an old
Good afternoon!
Like I said, I don't have enough space in the new apartment to set up
multiple computers, but I dislike having computing power going to waste.
Glad to hear that you aren't going to junk 'em (at least not right now).
Can anyone suggest a way to network/connect all four to
Marc Shapiro wrote:
Can anyone suggest a way to network/connect all four to possibly
distribute the load among them?
http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ sounds like what you're looking for.
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On Friday 14 October 2005 19:03, Marc Shapiro wrote:
Like I said, I don't have enough space in the new apartment to set up
multiple computers, but I dislike having computing power going to waste.
Can anyone suggest a way to network/connect all four to possibly
distribute the load among them?
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Marc Shapiro wrote:
Like I said, I don't have enough space in the new apartment to set up
multiple computers, but I dislike having computing power going to waste.
good ...
( are you running password crackers while the machine is idle ? :-0 )
Can anyone suggest a
All of those machines will run some sort of linux, maybe a scaled down
version but sothing.
I'd get a KVM to share the boxes bwtween on Keyboard, Mouse and Monitor.
Several are avaliable wiht cables for around $50US.
There is a website has has directions for making old.old.old boxes into
linksys
Marc Shapiro wrote:
OK. Like I'm guessing is the case with many of the users on this list,
I have a multitude of PCs around the house. Four to be exact. I used
to have three of them up and running, but that was before we moved.
Now, since I have a DSL connection, I no longer have my desktop
On Friday 14 October 2005 02:55 pm, Craig M. Houck wrote:
All of those machines will run some sort of linux, maybe a scaled down
version but sothing.
I'd get a KVM to share the boxes bwtween on Keyboard, Mouse and Monitor.
Several are avaliable wiht cables for around $50US.
There is a website
Hey!
Just take them to a recycling center and buy something from this decade
used
for under 200.
Hold on a sec.
Why go through all the bother?
1) 200 bucks all at once may not be a feasible outlay.
2) some of the older software may run just fine on the older machines (a
newer one won't
Here. here.
I quite agree in particular with #3.
Repair, Refinish, Rebuild and Reuse. I'm suspect there are a few more Re's.
And when something is truly I mean truly at EoL. Its bonfire time
(excluding stuff that produces toxins when heated). OK sometimes that stuff
too if the fire will be big
The problem is there is a world of difference between doing up and old car as
a hobby and trying to use a 486 as a desktop machine.
Your old Model T is never going to do 60MPH or have air con but that is
understood from the outset.
If the intention is to save some computing history go for it.
Graham Smith wrote:
The problem is there is a world of difference between doing up and old car as
a hobby and trying to use a 486 as a desktop machine.
You're ignoring the uses in between those two extremes. For example, why use
a modern machine, which uses 3 or 4 times the power, just for a
Thomas Jollans wrote:
Marc Shapiro wrote:
Can anyone suggest a way to network/connect all four to possibly
distribute the load among them?
http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ sounds like what you're looking for.
This looks exactly like what I need.
(I accidentally sent my original reply
On Friday 14 October 2005 21:45, Marty wrote:
Graham Smith wrote:
The problem is there is a world of difference between doing up and old
car as a hobby and trying to use a 486 as a desktop machine.
You're ignoring the uses in between those two extremes. For example, why
use a modern
Having said that though, personally, I would use the PII as the firewall,
backup, file server etc etc. The new fast machine as the family desktop and
ditch the other two.
Using the same machine as a backup file server and a firewall seems a
little foolhardy to me, especially given that
Good evening!
My pap used to have a set of lights programmed to change in a random way
and he kept an ancient box running for many years doing little other than
that. Light up, gradually dim, switch off, the whole lot. Classic
anti-burglar mechanism jazzed up to make it plausible day after
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:17:57PM +0100, Graham Smith wrote:
On Friday 14 October 2005 21:45, Marty wrote:
You're ignoring the uses in between those two extremes. For example, why
use a modern machine, which uses 3 or 4 times the power, just for a
firewall or backup server?
As you
Hendrik Boom wrote:
Actually, I've tried using old klunkers to do backups, and discovered
that they can't take large hard disks. One of mine won't go beyond
about 128 gig, tha other gets stuck somewhere between 2.5G and 80 G.
I don't know if it will work for all old machines, but when I ran
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