Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-15 Thread Peter Tynan
2008/6/15 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does Google even index gopher sites? Yes, via the HTTP to Gopher proxy at http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/ e.g. A search at google.com on gopher sdf happy resulted in the 8th hit being a gopher site. but if you want to search gopherspace you are

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-15 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Sun June 15 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: And as Paul Cartwright said, employers who want to block the web may ignore Gopher. [sarcasm]Because gopher's not the web?[/sarcasm] maybe they really don't know about Gopher, so they can't block what they don't know?? You have to remember, I was

Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded Firefox. I would be shocked if debian put back in core functionality

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Joey Hess
Peter Tynan wrote: I was under the impression that although Iceweasel started off as a simple rebranding project that the maintainers had greater ambitions and that they already made changes to the source that have nothing to do with the branding - am I wrong? So, let’s dig into our

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:43:19PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: 2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Sat June 14 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: so for me, this is an interesting situation. But I don't use gopher. For you it must be downright annoying. Here's how it's interesting. Firefox provided a full-blown modern gopher browser that essentially killed the other gui gopher browsers

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Koh Choon Lin
If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other web browsers. Just curious, what advantage does

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Andrew Reid
On Saturday 14 June 2008 12:43, Peter Tynan wrote: Just to summarise the problems - Iceweasel (and FireFox) is the only integrated GUI gopher browser, most other gopher browsers just show the gopher menu tree and in some cases plain text documents with Iceweasel I can view images, html

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread John Hasler
Peter writes: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
2008/6/14 Andrew Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Evidently the gopher-internet is not at all dead. It's alive a kicking with active development of several gopher servers (including pygopherd in the Debian repositories), on the client side there is the console client under active development and as

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
2008/6/14 Koh Choon Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? I'd suggest reading gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/0/gopher/relevance.txt for a full answer. I think advantage is probably the wrong word it's an alternative, an example of the type

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Peter Tynan
2008/6/15 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 still seems to support Gopher. It was in the early RC's of FireFox as well, as I understand it the final decision to pull it from FF3 was taken quite late in the day. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread John Hasler
Koh Choon Lin writes: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? The very fact that almost no one uses it can be an advantage. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/08 19:28, John Hasler wrote: Koh Choon Lin writes: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? The very fact that almost no one uses it can be an advantage. That's superficial logic. Practically, the fewer who

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: The very fact that almost no one uses it can be an advantage. Ron Johnson writes: That's superficial logic. Practically, the fewer who use gopher, the fewer who create gopher pages, thus the narrower the range of gopher's usefulness. *Sigh. _For some purposes_ the fact that almost

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Mumia W..
On 06/14/2008 08:32 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/08 19:28, John Hasler wrote: Koh Choon Lin writes: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? The very fact that almost no one uses it can be an advantage. That's

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/08 22:01, Mumia W.. wrote: On 06/14/2008 08:32 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/14/08 19:28, John Hasler wrote: Koh Choon Lin writes: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? The very fact that almost no one

Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?

2008-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/08 21:41, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: The very fact that almost no one uses it can be an advantage. Ron Johnson writes: That's superficial logic. Practically, the fewer who use gopher, the fewer who create gopher pages, thus the