Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-16 Thread David C Winters
On 16 Aug 1996, Rob Browning wrote: > It's too bad we can't support longer passwords. Not only are longer > ones easier to remember sometimes, but they are harder to break. > Something along the lines of the PGP passphrase. I've noticed something curious on various Unices: I can have a

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-16 Thread Rob Browning
Casper BodenCummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Fewer than that. The range of ASCII characters used in passwords is > quite small: perhaps ~= 110, optimisticly taking into account control > characters and punctuation marks. Then, many people don't use the full 8 > characters, so we have to reduc

RE: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-16 Thread Casper BodenCummins
>> Thus, I propose a new word be adopted to describe the clever >> and benign inventor of quick technical fixes. Rasher, from >> "Shockwave Rider" usage, is a possible candidate, except >> Brunner's rashers seemed to operate too much outside the >> boundaries of ethics, delving into industrial es

RE: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-16 Thread Casper BodenCummins
>>> If the max passwd >>> length is 8 bytes, then at a quick estimate it seems that there are >>> 256^8 * 4096 different possible passwords...? > Fewer than that. The range of ASCII characters used in passwords is quite small: perhaps ~= 110, optimisticly taking into account control characters and

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-16 Thread Brian C. White
> >Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is quite easy, even for those > >with minimal computer knowledge. With widely available programs like Crack > >(UNIX), Crakerjack (DOS), and root_crack(DOS) anybody with a CPU >386 can > >crack the DES encryption with a bit of time. > > My understa

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread David L. Craig
As Joshua Stockwell wrote: > >>> On Aug 14, 2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote: > >>> : Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean > >>> : "computer criminal" on this list. "cracker" is more > >>> : appropriate. > >>> >-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens > > > Christopher R. Hertel wrote: > >>> Seco

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Stephen Masterman
>>Perhaps a bit, but not too much. The passwords in /etc/passwd are encrypted >>through one-way DES encryption. It's much easier to simply guess users' >>passwords, the majority of which are first-names or first-names followed >>by a number. >> >Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is qui

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Joshua Stockwell
>>> On Aug 14, 2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote: >>> : Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on >>> : this list. "cracker" is more appropriate. >>> >-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens Christopher R. Hertel wrote: >>> Seconded. The term "hacker" originally referred to one

RE: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Casper BodenCummins
bian.org >Cc:The recipient's address is unknown. >Subject: Re: Isn't it a security hole... > >On Aug 14, 2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote: >: Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on >: this list. "cracker&

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Christopher R. Hertel
On Aug 14, 2:35pm, Bruce Perens wrote: : Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on : this list. "cracker" is more appropriate. >-- End of excerpt from Bruce Perens Seconded. The term "hacker" originally referred to one who would "hack" at [working] code to make it bett

RE: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Casper BodenCummins
Guy Maor wrote: >> Truly cracking a passwd file would take more than "a bit of time". Or >> Maybe you're an extremely patient person. It may take a while in general, but poor maintenance and naive password choice often leads to surprising results - besides, the increase in low-cost high-power CP

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Guy Maor
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote: > Actually, cracking a unix passwd file is quite easy, even for those > with minimal computer knowledge. With widely available programs like Crack > (UNIX), Crakerjack (DOS), and root_crack(DOS) anybody with a CPU >386 can > crack the DES en

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Hi Matt! From: Matthew Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One of the first things to remember is to use an Alpha numeric and special > character password for root that usually fixes 99.99% of all hackers from > gaining root access. Ahem. Let's not use the word "hacker" to mean "computer criminal" on th

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Gilbert Ramirez Jr.
>As Jerzy Kakol said: >> >> >> ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd? > >Perhaps a bit, but not too much. The passwords in /etc/passwd are encrypted >through one-way DES encryption. It's much easier to simply guess users' >passwords, the majority of which are first

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Bruce Perens
Yes, it is in project/experimental on the FTP server. We'll put it in 1.2 . Bruce -- Clinton isn't perfect, but I like him a lot more than Dole. Please register to vote, and vote for Democrats. Bruce Perens AB6YM [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.hams.com/

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Karl Ferguson
At 05:01 PM 8/14/96 +0200, you wrote: > >...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd? > >Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have >account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The >only way, as I guess, they grabed root's

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Matthew Bailey
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote: > > ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd? > > Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have > account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The > only way, as I guess, they grabe

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Don Gaffney
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerzy Kakol wrote: > > ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd? > > Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have > account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The > only way, as I guess, they grab

Re: Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Gilbert Ramirez Jr.
As Jerzy Kakol said: > > > ...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd? Perhaps a bit, but not too much. The passwords in /etc/passwd are encrypted through one-way DES encryption. It's much easier to simply guess users' passwords, the majority of which are first-names o

Isn't it a security hole...

1996-08-14 Thread Jerzy Kakol
...the attribute readable for others in case of the file /etc/passwd? Recently my debian system was cracked by several pirates. They have account name and the password widely broadcasted on an IRC channel. The only way, as I guess, they grabed root's privilages was free access to /etc/passwd.