Let's have a vote! (was: Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs))

2014-09-15 Thread lee
Lisi Reisz writes: > On Saturday 13 September 2014 21:46:31 lee wrote: >> You users, and the community members, >> whoever they are, need to speak as well. > > Perhaps, just perhaps, many of them don't agree. Well, I've now seen two people speaking up in response, and 0% of them spoke in favour

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-15 Thread Peter Nieman
On 13/09/14 22:46, lee wrote: I'd be happy to see some support. I cannot speak for "the users" or for "the free software community". You users, and the community members, whoever they are, need to speak as well. OK, so I'll "speak as well". :-) But first of all I'd like to thank you and some

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-15 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/15/2014 3:27 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2014 19:42:40 Steve Litt wrote: >> Every time you tell one of us to keep silent, three more of us speak >> up. I don't know whether we're a minority, but if you and your cohorts >> keep shushing us, we just might be the majority prett

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/15/2014 03:27 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 14 September 2014 19:42:40 Steve Litt wrote: Every time you tell one of us to keep silent, three more of us speak up. I don't know whether we're a minority, but if you and your cohorts keep shushing us, we just might be the majority pretty soon

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 14 September 2014 19:42:40 Steve Litt wrote: > Every time you tell one of us to keep silent, three more of us speak > up. I don't know whether we're a minority, but if you and your cohorts > keep shushing us, we just might be the majority pretty soon. I wasn't telling anyone to keep sile

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:22:16 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 13 September 2014 21:46:31 lee wrote: > > I'd be happy to see some support.  I cannot speak for "the users" > > or for "the free software community". > > No, you can't. > > > You users, and the community members, > > whoever t

Re: OT: gas plant (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs))

2014-09-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2014, B wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:46:31 +0200 > > lee wrote: > > All interesting things you said, plus a bunch of other readings > > confort me in my first impression: Linux was becoming t

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-14 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 13 September 2014 21:46:31 lee wrote: > I'd be happy to see some support.  I cannot speak for "the users" or for > "the free software community". No, you can't. > You users, and the community members, > whoever they are, need to speak as well. Perhaps, just perhaps, many of them do

Re: OT: gas plant (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs))

2014-09-14 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: > for those unfamiliar with the french figurative use of the term gas > refinery ("usine à gaz"): > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine#Similar_expressions_worldwide Oops, thanks Wes; I sometimes

OT: gas plant (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs))

2014-09-14 Thread davidson
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014, B wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:46:31 +0200 lee wrote: All interesting things you said, plus a bunch of other readings confort me in my first impression: Linux was becoming too much secured for the taste of agencies (and which better candidate than a gas plant for tho

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:46:31 +0200 lee wrote: All interesting things you said, plus a bunch of other readings confort me in my first impression: Linux was becoming too much secured for the taste of agencies (and which better candidate than a gas plant that hammers its looong claws down to… dbus,

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-13 Thread lee
Slavko writes: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:15:59 +0200 lee napísal: > >> Supporting systemd violates Debians' social contract. > > Can you be more verbose about this, please? Why? How? By what? I'm finding it pretty obvious. The social contract says: "Our priorities are our users an

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-12 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:15:59 +0200 lee napísal: > Supporting systemd violates Debians' social contract. Can you be more verbose about this, please? Why? How? By what? regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 08:15:59PM +0200, lee wrote: > > Supporting systemd violates Debians' social contract. Hogwash!! > Has this bug report already been filed? https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, an

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-11 Thread lee
Chris Bannister writes: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 09:21:57PM +0200, lee wrote: >> John Hasler writes: >> >> > It appears that there is a good chance that the "upgrade" to Systemd >> > when upgrading to Jessie will not be automatic (or at least not silent). >> >> I would be majorly pissed if a

Issues upgrading Wheezy --> Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 09:21:57PM +0200, lee wrote: > John Hasler writes: > > > It appears that there is a good chance that the "upgrade" to Systemd > > when upgrading to Jessie will not be automatic (or at least not silent). > > I would be majorly pissed if a distribution upgrade would force m