On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:05:42 +
Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
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StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit
which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for
bidirectional or CJK text (or other types of complex text layout). It
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:07:29AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:05:42 +
Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
...
StartOffice 5.2 was a proprietary application, using the motif toolkit
which had its own proprietary file formats. Has no decent support for
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:24:38 +
Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:07:29AM -0500, Celejar wrote:
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Proper bidi support is indeed a sin qua non for me, which is why I'm
reluctantly giving up LyX for my mixed language documents, even though
I really
Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/22 Celejar cele...@gmail.com:
I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of
java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without
automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would
have marked stuff like
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Paul Johnson wrote:
Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/22 Celejar cele...@gmail.com:
I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of
java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without
automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea
2009/2/24 Bret Busby b...@busby.net:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Paul Johnson wrote:
I thought that using package management to do system updates, like apt-get
update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade, removed packages that became
obsolete, and thence associated files, other than data files created
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:18:16AM +0900, Bret Busby wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
If you have issues with Java 'tainting' your system then power to you,
but both Staroffice and Java were invented by Sun Microsystems then
released to the community freely. Open JDK is a completely free
implementation of Java that satisfies the DSFG.
I
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends
on a Java JRE.
So, to use Open
2009/2/22 Bret Busby b...@busby.net:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Adrian Levi wrote:
2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:30:41 +1000
Adrian Levi adrian.l...@gmail.com wrote:
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But you can use Openoffice.org without java but for Base, even then
IIRC it's only used for some of the functionality
I found a feally good link [1] that describes exactly what Java
provides in the different
2009/2/22 Celejar cele...@gmail.com:
I was actually surprised by the fact that I apparently had a bunch of
java stuff marked as manually installed. I run aptitude without
automatic installation of recommends, and I have no idea when I would
have marked stuff like 'libxom-java' or 'bsh'
Bret Busby wrote:
Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java,
or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some
versions of MS Windows cannot fully run without Internet Explorer?
Mu. It means you can run Java programs without Sun Java
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11:24PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:
before I rant too much, is it a must install on debian 5.
No. And using it requires some effort.
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them.
But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter
out of the box, so no, you can happily run Debian 5.0 without Java.
If you install
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you choose to use Java programs, you'll obviously need Java for them.
But Debian doesn't come with anything that requires a Java interpreter
out of the box, so no, you can happily run
2009/2/21 Bret Busby b...@busby.net:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31:27AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
If you install the desktop task you also get OpenOffice.org that depends
on a Java JRE.
So, to use Open Office, Java is needed?
I understood that
-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or
building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using the
IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project.
Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java, or
that Debian cannot fully
-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or
building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using
the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project.
Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java,
or that Debian
On February 18, 2009 11:44:43 pm S D wrote:
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote:
Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5
without Java,
No, it doesn't mean that. You can install and run Debian without Java.
or that Debian cannot fully run without Java
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, francisco Quinonez franquino...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is, if it come on a standard installation as
SELinux and probably
others; because in this case it becomes an obligation by
default.
What Java packages are you referring to? If you don't use any Java apps
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 01:54:39PM -0800, francisco Quinonez wrote:
On February 18, 2009 11:44:43 pm S D wrote:
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote:
[snip]
Again, no. It means that Java SDK is now part of Debian distribution and
people who want Java installed can install
or
building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using
the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project.
Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5 without Java,
or that Debian cannot fully run without Java, in the same way that some
versions of MS
--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote:
Does this now mean that we cannot instal and run Debian 5
without Java,
No, it doesn't mean that. You can install and run Debian without Java.
or that Debian cannot fully run without Java,
in the same way that some versions of MS
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