Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Le Mar 5 mars 2013 16:37, Martin McCormick a écrit : > Miles Fidelman writes: > In Linux/Unix in general, we have a concept that is > rather old of output being something you can send where it needs to go > because you may not always predict where somebody will need to send it for > a particular jo

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 10:56:18AM -0600, Martin McCormick wrote: > What I like about *nix is that it builds on the > experience of 3 decades plus a lot more sound theory. Nobody has > scrapped anything that is truly useful to cut corners and that > is what I find impressive. > > I don

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

What I like about *nix is that it builds on the experience of 3 decades plus a lot more sound theory. Nobody has scrapped anything that is truly useful to cut corners and that is what I find impressive. I don't think anything is served by a battle of the young guns versus the old c

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Tuesday 05 March 2013 15:37:31 Martin McCormick wrote: > Miles Fidelman writes: > > Which leads me to take just a little issue with your comment that > > "younger people have more useful experience." I'm actually not entirely > > sure that's true. If anything, younger people have narrower (or at

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Miles Fidelman writes: > Which leads me to take just a little issue with your comment that "younger > people have more useful experience." I'm actually not entirely sure that's > true. If anything, younger people have narrower (or at least different) > experience. I tend to agree. Lisi is

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lars Noodén wrote: On 03/02/2013 11:27 AM, Tom Furie wrote: On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 07:38:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: These days it is != :) (I think <> was "not equal to", was it?) Technically, it's "less than or greater than", but I suppose it amounts to the same thing :) Cheers, T

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 03/02/2013 11:27 AM, Tom Furie wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 07:38:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > >> These days it is != :) (I think <> was "not equal to", was it?) > > Technically, it's "less than or greater than", but I suppose it > amounts to the same thing :) > > Cheers, Tom >

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 07:38:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > These days it is != :) (I think <> was "not equal to", was it?) Technically, it's "less than or greater than", but I suppose it amounts to the same thing :) Cheers, Tom -- I think the world is run by C students.

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

[Sorry, posted previous post too soon! :D] On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 12:23:01PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>Fair enough, but... I have to say it > >> > >>Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > >>directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computer

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 08:34:57AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Fair enough, but... I have to say it > > Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by > hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) http://www.youtu

Re: An Apology was:Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

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An Apology was:Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Friday 01 March 2013 08:33:41 Lisi Reisz wrote: > Thirdly, I didn't notice yesterday, but he is not even telling the truth. >  He cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and > have worked on/with punched cards in 1949.  (Do the arithmetic.) It has been drawn to my attent

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:37:32 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > > On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > >> Fair enough, but... I have to say it > >> > >> Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > >> directions, in the snow, but

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) You had TTL l

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

--- On Fri, 3/1/13, Richard Owlett wrote: > From: Richard Owlett > Subject: Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- > was [Re: I wish to advocate linux] > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 12:43 PM > > > Pa

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:33:41 + Lisi Reisz wrote: He cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and have worked on/with punched cards in 1949. (Do the arithmetic.) I never claimed to be THAT old. Parents married day before Pearl Harbor - will lea

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) You had TTL

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Fair enough, but... I have to say it > > Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by > hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) You had TTL logic g

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:33:41 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > He > cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and > have worked on/with punched cards in 1949. (Do the arithmetic.) That certainly doesn't tell the whole story. Those same punch cards or ones visually identical were

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

"Morel Bérenger" wrote: Le Ven 1 mars 2013 0:20, Miles Fidelman a écrit : - also, those of us who date back a few years still think of computers as things that "need some assembly" and bring that view to system software as well Well, here, let me laugh. Something which needs some assembly, is c

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:43:13 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > Nope ;) > > It was the standard IBM keypunch. I spent many hours muttering at it > > in 1961. > > Ok... definitely a bit before my time. Used keypunches my freshman year > at college (1971) - in a course

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Le Ven 1 mars 2013 0:20, Miles Fidelman a écrit : > - those of us who go back a bit date from a time when computer science > was an offshoot of electrical engineering > analog and digital circuitry before ever touching a computer - gives a > very different perspective than starting with programming

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thursday 28 February 2013 23:20:08 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Your experience doesn't make your point of reference of any greater value > > than anyone else's.  Many people go back a long way.  You were obviously > > in the miltary and/or in the States, since the first commercial computer > > thi

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:08:58 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > It's a car punch machine: > > > > Car punch? > http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/E-Honda-Car-Punch.jpg > Heh, I needed that. Thanks. Cybe R. Wi

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:31:03 Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough re

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Cybe R. Wizard wrote: It's a car punch machine: Car punch? http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/E-Honda-Car-Punch.jpg -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:31:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to > >> Debian(tm?), > > > > Why is your seniority relevant? > > Just trying to convey that I've enough

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:58:56 -0600 "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: > It's a car punch machine: ^ d > ...caRd punch machine. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Bar

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:09:46 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to > Debian(tm?), > >>> > >>> Why is your sen

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Richard Owlett wrote: Nope ;) It was the standard IBM keypunch. I spent many hours muttering at it in 1961. Ok... definitely a bit before my time. Used keypunches my freshman year at college (1971) - in a course that took us from IBM 360 batch, to 360/TSO, to Multics - but after that, punc

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Thomas D. Dean wrote: On 02/28/13 13:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just tryin

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 02/28/13 13:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've e

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world experience to have a val

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world experience to have a valid

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world experience to have a valid point of reference without heavy handily

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to > Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Brian wrote: >> On Thu 28 Feb 2013 at 09:36:29 +, Joe wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:04:04 -0500 >>> Mark Filipak wrote: Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic stupidity) that seems to be t

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

> I don't know if he was referring to that FAQ or not. > *HOWEVER*, as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), > I find the transition unnecessarily annoying. I used http://goodbye-microsoft.org once and it went very smoothly. AFAICT this site doesn't exist any more, but I have th

Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Brian wrote: On Thu 28 Feb 2013 at 09:36:29 +, Joe wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:04:04 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic stupidity) that seems to be the hallmark of the Linux community. In the Debian live page, dd is offered as