Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On 04/23/18 06:02, Greg Wooledge wrote: For more details on iproute2 superseding net-tools, see . Thanks for the link. So, ifconfig was superseded by iproute2 and is unrelated to systemd. David

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:47:48AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > Proving, disproving, and/or improving the hypothesis would require > researching ifconfig(8), systemd(1), and the reasons why the former was > dropped from the default installation when the latter was introduced into > Debian

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On 04/22/18 11:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:55:48AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: On 04/21/18 22:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... systemd ... spreading FUD about it just fires backwards, and shouldn't be the style here... Please cite the FUD I am spreading about

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On Sunday, April 22, 2018 10:55:48 AM -04 David Christensen wrote: > On 04/21/18 22:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > ... systemd ... > > spreading FUD about it > > just fires backwards, and shouldn't be the style here... > > Please cite the FUD I am spreading about systemd. > > > David man ip:

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On Sat 21 Apr 2018 at 20:01:05 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 03:13:09PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > > > > > On 04/21/18 14:24, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > > One more thing:

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:55:48AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 04/21/18 22:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >... systemd ... > >spreading FUD about it > >just fires backwards, and shouldn't be the style here... > > Please cite the FUD I am

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On 04/21/18 22:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... systemd ... spreading FUD about it just fires backwards, and shouldn't be the style here... Please cite the FUD I am spreading about systemd. David

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 03:13:09PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: [...] > AFAIK ifconfig was superseded by some component of systemd. No. It's just not installed by default. It is part of package net-tools, which you may install separately... >

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 03:13:09PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > On 04/21/18 14:24, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > One more thing: Because of some changes, from 8 to 9, I am being > asked to > > > do Network

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

Hello David, On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:13 PM, David Christensen < dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 04/21/18 14:24, Kenneth Parker wrote: > >> ... wireless.kernel.org to download Firmware for this B43 Device. >> > > My decommissioned Dell Inspiron E1505 required the same firmware. I >

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 03:13:09PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 04/21/18 14:24, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > One more thing: Because of some changes, from 8 to 9, I am being asked to > > do Network Administration, with both Hands behind my Back: Debian CD1 > > does *NOT* install the

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 06:07:28PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > Thanks! Between you and Abdullah, I believe I have, what I need, next > window with my Friend. > > Consider this "Provisionally Solved". And now for the other thing: > > > One more thing: Because of some changes, from 8 to 9,

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

On 04/21/18 14:24, Kenneth Parker wrote: ... wireless.kernel.org to download Firmware for this B43 Device. My decommissioned Dell Inspiron E1505 required the same firmware. I bought a replacement WiFi card in the hopes it would be better supported by GNU/Linux and *BSD, but can't remember

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

Thanks! Between you and Abdullah, I believe I have, what I need, next window with my Friend. Consider this "Provisionally Solved". Best Regards, Kenneth Parker On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hi Kenneth, > > Have a look at >

Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

Hi Kenneth, Have a look at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ You may find something there that will fit your situation… Enjoy! Rick On Apr 21, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > Hello, > > I am helping a Friend install

Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

Hello, I am helping a Friend install Debian 9.4 to an old, Intel Macbook, where the only Internet access is through a Broadcom BCM4322 Wifi Chip. I got as far as installing the Debian 9.4 CD-1, but couldn't get the Network up. It seems that Debian doesn't wish to support "Non-Free" hardware,