Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-12 Thread mick crane
On 2019-10-07 17:26, lwhona...@gmail.com wrote: Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix. I am attempting my first install of Debian and I must be missing

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-10 Thread David
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 23:51, Brian wrote: > I run 'lsblk' before > and after plugging the USB device in. Writing an image to a USB stick is > not something to rush if you don't want a system disk to suffer. I like to use 'watch lsblk -f'. It makes it obvious when the "plugging in" has been detec

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 >> >> Yeah. This is a big problem. We'd need a desktop-user-safe GUI >> tool which by some AI detects the USB stick which is least worthy >> of preservation. Seems to me, what is perhaps needed is more localized support, or knowing where the peop

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-09 Thread Brian
On Tue 08 Oct 2019 at 14:48:08 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: [...] > > To create a bootable image from a .iso, you need 'dd', i.e. > > dd is a great tool, indeed, and i use it for the purpose out of tradition. > But it does nothing essential for the copied image to be

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 13:38:25 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2019-10-08, Dejan Jocic wrote: > > > > Anyway, most of Linux newbies will not create usb from Linux machine > > anyway, so I doubt that any of this will help OP. Personally, can't > > even remember when I was creating usb image from a

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Curt
On 2019-10-08, Dejan Jocic wrote: > > Anyway, most of Linux newbies will not create usb from Linux machine > anyway, so I doubt that any of this will help OP. Personally, can't even > remember when I was creating usb image from anything but Linux, so can't > be of much help there. Right, and as t

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, after not finding in the man page a description of cp behavior with existing target file, i looked up POSIX https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/cp.html "3. If source_file is of type regular file, [...] a. [...] if dest_file exists, the following steps shall be

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 01:13:18PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > cp copies a file onto s file system, bit that's not what's wanted here. > To create a bootable image from a .iso, you need 'dd' I know I'm repeating what others have said, but this misunderstanding is so damned pervasive that it

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 08-10-19, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 07/10/2019 19:04, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > lwhona...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I was under the impression, if I copied the dvd image to a usb stick, > >> I could boot from the stick and start the install. > > > > This is true. You have to put it

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, (We are discussing this for the archive, as Larry Honaker probably needs advise for doing it on MS-Windows.) Tony van der Hoff wrote: > cp copies a file onto s file system, bit that's not what's wanted here. It does indeed. But (at least with our GNU coreutils cp) copying a data file to a b

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 07/10/2019 19:04, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > lwhona...@gmail.com wrote: >> I was under the impression, if I copied the dvd image to a usb stick, >> I could boot from the stick and start the install. > > This is true. You have to put it as image onto the raw USB stick device. > > https:

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > ... or from a fresh attempt to install the ISO onto the USB stick by > > one of the ISO-to-stick converters (unetbootin, Rufus, ...). to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Oh, they do that? Thanks for teaching me something new :-/ I have no comprehensive knowledge of that topic. Just what i

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread tomas
On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 09:35:09AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > The error message quoted by the original poster strongly suggests > > that he's got that part right: it is the boot loader complaining. > > No. It is the wrong flavor of SYSLINUX software and muc

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > The error message quoted by the original poster strongly suggests > that he's got that part right: it is the boot loader complaining. No. It is the wrong flavor of SYSLINUX software and much too old. Even debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso has "ISOLINUX 6.03 20150107" an

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 08:04:16PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [...] > > Syslinux 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD © © 1994-2010 H. Peter Aanvin et al > > This does not look like the first bootloader message of a contemporary > Debian ISO image. If booted via legacy BIOS it should say "ISOLINUX" > rather th

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-08 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:40:00PM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > wrote: > > > > Greetings All, > > > > Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be [...] Welcome! [...] > If I'm understanding you properly, yes. You need to take it from an > "iso ima

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, lwhona...@gmail.com wrote: > I was under the impression, if I copied the dvd image to a usb stick, > I could boot from the stick and start the install. This is true. You have to put it as image onto the raw USB stick device. https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb proposes for GNU/Linux s

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 07 October 2019 12:40:00 Dan Purgert wrote: > wrote: > > Greetings All, > > > > Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired > > computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows > > world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix. > > > > I am attem

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread Dan Ritter
lwhona...@gmail.com wrote: > > Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer > specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have > a passing knowledge of Unix. Good news: you're not the only blind Linux user on this list. If it helps, the i

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread A . Söldner
Am 07.10.2019 um 18:26 schrieb lwhona...@gmail.com: Greetings All, Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be.  I am totally blind, retired computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world.  I do have a passing knowledge of Unix. I am attempting my first install of Debian an

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread Dan Purgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 wrote: > > Greetings All, > > Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired > computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows > world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix. > > I am attempting my first insta

Re: New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread john doe
On 10/7/2019 6:26 PM, lwhona...@gmail.com wrote: > Greetings All, > > > > Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer > specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have > a passing knowledge of Unix. > > > > I am attempting my first install

New Linux User needs some guidance

2019-10-07 Thread lwhonaker
Greetings All, Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix. I am attempting my first install of Debian and I must be missing something from the Install Gui