On Friday 28 April 2006 03:14, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re-
> >> mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re-
> >> mount as ext3.
> >> [..
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On Thursday 27 April 2006 20:08, Mike McCarty
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > I think I would prefer the decision to be based on time elapsed
> > since the last check - perhaps with a nag message so that I have
> > the
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:58:52PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Digby Tarvin wrote:
[snip]
> >I do try to keep as many of my filesystems as possible mounted read-only
> >(ideally everything but /var and /home) so I suppose I could have cron
> >run a regular fsck.
>
> This also makes some sense
Digby Tarvin wrote:
[snip]
I think I would prefer the decision to be based on time elapsed since
the last check - perhaps with a nag message so that I have the option
to defer till next time if I am short of time or battery power.
Of course that still only helps if you do reboot occasionally.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:48:58PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Curt Howland wrote:
> > My personal experience with ext2 was that the occasional power failure
> > or accidental hitting of the switch caused just too many problems. I
> > still let the fsck happen every 30 mounts or so, I don't turn t
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On Thursday 27 April 2006 17:17, Mike McCarty
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> In any case, I do regular backups.
That is the only thing that can really be relied upon.
I'm all for learning more about file systems. Your experiences with
ext3
Curt Howland wrote:
> My personal experience with ext2 was that the occasional power failure
> or accidental hitting of the switch caused just too many problems. I
> still let the fsck happen every 30 mounts or so, I don't turn that
> off.
With my uptimes that's about once every 10 years.
Curt Howland wrote:
[snip]
My personal experience with ext2 was that the occasional power failure
or accidental hitting of the switch caused just too many problems. I
still let the fsck happen every 30 mounts or so, I don't turn that
off.
The incidence of accidental shutdown hasn't changed,
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On Thursday 27 April 2006 13:39, Mike McCarty
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> Reiser is somewhat faster than ext3, but has much less error
> recovery toolset. It is also somewhat better at actual disc usage
> for many small files. OTOH, when l
Curt Howland wrote:
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Yes. You can mount an ext3 system as an ext2 without missing a bit,
*EXCEPT* for what is in the journal. If the ext3 partition was not
unmounted cleanly, data will be lost.
Make that "data may be lost". And if an ext3 file sys
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:54 -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)
wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[...]
Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re-
mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re-
mount as ext3.
[...]
Huh?
Are you sug
Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[...]
Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re-
mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re-
mount as ext3.
[...]
Huh?
Are you suggesting that you can't permanently delete a file's data
Curt Howland wrote:
[snip]
My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say,
FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add
Seconded.
journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that
ext3 is just an add-on to ext2. Performance d
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 09:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> While we're on the subject of file systems ... Are there any useful
> runours about the long-awaited landing of reiser4 at Debian?
>
The rumors are true (at least on sid):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ apt-cache search reiser4
kernel-patch-2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 01:57:30AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
While we're on the subject of file systems ... Are there any useful
runours about the long-awaited landing of reiser4 at Debian?
While we are at it: reiser4 was one of the main reasons, why I switched
from sus
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 01:57:30AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> if you don't want to sit and twiddle your thumb for a day while
> the system formats your 1TB disk space..
> - you would use xfs, jfs, reiserfs
While we're on the subject of file systems ... Are there any useful
runours about th
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
[...]
If you do use ext3 in data-journalling mode (mount -o data=journal)
that yes, it will be a lot slower than ext2. That's why the default
is data=ordered. You can make it even faster, and still more safe than
ext2, by using data=writeback. See "man mount".
Mike.
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Rick Friedman wrote:
> Currently, I run Debian Sid with two different partitions: / & /home. Each
> partition is an ext3 filesystem. I am thinking of changing filesystems (just
> to satisfy my curiosity). My system is a typical home user's system.
>
> I would like to hea
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:54 -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)
>wrote:
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re-
>> > mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wip
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:54 -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)
wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > [...]
> > Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re-
> > mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re-
> > mount as ext3.
> > [...]
>
> Huh?
>
> Are you
Ron Johnson wrote:
[...]
Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re-
mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re-
mount as ext3.
[...]
Huh?
Are you suggesting that you can't permanently delete a file's data by
overwriting the file before deleting it?
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:26 -0500, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 08:13:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > ext2 is definitely faster than ext3.
>
> A quick googling turned up a filesystem benchmark comparison at
> http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, which shows ext2 and
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 08:13:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> ext2 is definitely faster than ext3.
A quick googling turned up a filesystem benchmark comparison at
http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, which shows ext2 and ext3
almost indistinguishable.
Do you know of measurements indicating
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:49 +0100, Doofus wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> >
> >
> >>My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say,
> >>FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add
> >>jou
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Yes. You can mount an ext3 system as an ext2 without missing a bit,
*EXCEPT* for what is in the journal. If the ext3 partition was not
unmounted cleanly, data will be lost.
Ext3 does add overhead, and takes up space on the disk, so there are
minima
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:49 +0100, Doofus wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> >
> >
> >>My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say,
> >>FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add
> >>jou
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say,
FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add
journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that
ext3 is
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
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> My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say,
> FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add
> journaling, which is why I also use
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On Monday 24 April 2006 11:02, Rick Friedman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> Currently, I run Debian Sid with two different partitions: / &
> /home. Each partition is an ext3 filesystem. I am thinking of
> changing filesystems (just to satisfy
On 2006-04-24, Rick Friedman penned:
>
> I would like to hear from others their opinions about differing
> filesystems such as: ext3, Reiserfs, XFS, JFS, etc.20
I use ext3 primarily because it's broadly supported. If the fecal
matter hits the rotary device and I want to be able to read the drive
Rick Friedman wrote:
> Currently, I run Debian Sid with two different partitions: / & /home. Each
> partition is an ext3 filesystem. I am thinking of changing filesystems (just
> to satisfy my curiosity). My system is a typical home user's system.
>
> I would like to hear from others their opini
Currently, I run Debian Sid with two different partitions: / & /home. Each
partition is an ext3 filesystem. I am thinking of changing filesystems (just
to satisfy my curiosity). My system is a typical home user's system.
I would like to hear from others their opinions about differing filesystem
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