Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-17 Thread Mika Suomalainen
13.05.2012 14:31, Andrei POPESCU kirjoitti: On Vi, 11 mai 12, 17:49:30, Phil Dobbin wrote: on the strength of that message, Slavko, it gave me great pleasure to import sign your key :-) Don't sign other keys unless you have met the owner in person. Kind regards, Andrei But if you

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 13 mai 12, 15:41:52, Phil Dobbin wrote: As somebody else posted on this subject some time ago (maybe a week ago; this thread has been limping on for a long time) it helps one identify participants on the list whose views seem to lucid, practical knowledgeable. I've found it

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 11 mai 12, 17:49:30, Phil Dobbin wrote: on the strength of that message, Slavko, it gave me great pleasure to import sign your key :-) Don't sign other keys unless you have met the owner in person. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 12 mai 12, 09:25:44, Slavko wrote: * It was a lot of searching for me to get MUA for Windows with GPG support (early mentioned Thunderbird and Enigmail) and i see no others equivalents exists (or only very old or commercial). Claws Mail and Sylpheed will do it. +1 on everything

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 12 mai 12, 01:45:37, Jochen Spieker wrote: [snip] +1 Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Mika Suomalainen
11.05.2012 19:53, Chris Bannister kirjoitti: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 03:18:02PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: Whilst the above is true, it's also true that inline signing isn't going away soon because of certain companies reticence about implementing it correctly or at all. Where it refers to

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 12 May 2012 08:25:44 Slavko wrote: [snip] I will accept that some (many???) people may htink that the presence of Slavko's name fulfils no useful purpose other than supplying an ego-trip for him. But for me it had a use. I know (of?) Slavko from another list. I would certainly

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Phil Dobbin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/05/12 12:31, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 11 mai 12, 17:49:30, Phil Dobbin wrote: on the strength of that message, Slavko, it gave me great pleasure to import sign your key :-) Don't sign other keys unless you have met the owner in

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 03:02:02PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: If that was the strategy everybody adopted with PGP, there'd be very few, if any, keys signed, ever. This *is* the strategy that most people use for PGP. Thanks for the advice but I think I'll pass. You are entitled to maintain

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Phil Dobbin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/05/12 15:05, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 03:02:02PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: If that was the strategy everybody adopted with PGP, there'd be very few, if any, keys signed, ever. This *is* the strategy that most people use

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Sun, 13 May 2012 14:35:30 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com napísal: On Sb, 12 mai 12, 09:25:44, Slavko wrote: * It was a lot of searching for me to get MUA for Windows with GPG support (early mentioned Thunderbird and Enigmail) and i see no others equivalents

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-13 Thread Rob Owens
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 03:02:02PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/05/12 12:31, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 11 mai 12, 17:49:30, Phil Dobbin wrote: on the strength of that message, Slavko, it gave me great pleasure to import sign

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Jari Fredriksson
On 12.5.2012 2:45, Jochen Spieker wrote: My main reason for signing public e-mails is to invite people to encrypt their e-mails to me. Signing is the easiest way to express that I (know how to) use PGP/GPG and that I prefer encrypted communication. In my opinion, the question is not why we

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 08:59 +0300, Jari Fredriksson wrote: the question is not why we should encrypt our communication, but why we should /not/ I encrypt some of my communication by openPGP too. No doubt about it, there are valid reasons to encrypt some emails. But signing emails to an open

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:25 +1000 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com napísal: Paraphrase yes. Useful analogy I don't believe so. from your point of view... But from my point it is analogy. A better analogy would be:- Is the post reduced in value if Tony's was name was

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 06:16:28PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: I wasn't thinking of Enigmail/Mozilla, but Microsoft. Microsoft's software doesn't produce PGP/MIME sigs and their reading of same is broken. Or at least was last time I had to use any of their software. MS Exchange at least

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread T Elcor
--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Paraphrase yes. Useful analogy I don't believe so. A better analogy would be:- Is the post reduced in value if Tony's was name was not added to the sender field? The answer is yes. Not necessarily. If

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 01:43 -0700, T Elcor wrote: If one still feels strongly that signed emails should not be used on this list, one may want to suggest such a change to the Debian Code of Conduct. I'm against general signing, but I guess we should be free to use it, if we wont use it and

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 09:01:19 +0100 Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: Hello Jon, MS Exchange at least recognises PGP/MIME as being something: it shows a little signed icon against such mails. An improvement on OE, certainly. That used to see the PGP/MIME signed message and treat the text

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 11 May 2012 19:31:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 17:27 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:49:36 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:59:25PM +, Camaleón wrote: mode remember on We once faced a problem with faked posts in

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Selling guns? Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell guns per se. I don't own weapons myself, but I've got no problems with people who learned how to use and not to use a weapon secure and ethically. I'm able

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:40:31PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Selling guns? Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell guns per se. I don't own weapons myself, but I've got no problems with people who

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not funny at all :-( If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. I'm an idiot myself and once I met another highly gifted idiot. He was a stutterer. This was an

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:40:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Ralf, be very cautious when quoting... Selling guns? What the hell are you (if that were you) talking about? Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500 Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: Hello Indulekha, Please don't troll. The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're It did; You just saw the follow-up before the message it was replying to. Exactly the same happened here. --

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:11PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500 Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: Hello Indulekha, Please don't troll. The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're It did; You just saw the follow-up before

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not funny at all :-( If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. (...) Ralf, I don't know how to tell

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:18:11 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500 Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: Hello Indulekha, Please don't troll. The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're It did; You just saw the follow-up before the

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not funny at all :-( If you know about tics than it

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:46:26 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, I received first the second message (his reply to himself) and because he removed the name of the person who wrote the cited text, the message was unreferenced at all. Without attribution, context and

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:59:29 -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 06:59:29AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's just verbal and gestures. You got trolled. Please take this off-list. It's off-topic and adds zero value to the intended purpose of this list. Thanks, Roger --

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Wayne Topa
On 05/12/2012 08:36 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 06:59:29AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's just verbal and gestures. You got trolled. Please take this off-list. It's off-topic and adds zero value to the intended

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Indulekha
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:14PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:59:29 -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 06:28 -0500, Indulekha wrote: Ah, ok. Yes, I do see it now. Apologies to Ralf! No problem, I've got to apologize, since I wrote to much unneeded text. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 09:07:04 -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:14PM +, Camaleón wrote: Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's just verbal and gestures. You got trolled. You're completely wrong. But you can read and learn (from

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 09:07:04AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: What, so now the *lack* of a described symptom is proof it exists? Nowhere in that article does it say that Tourette's makes people write obscenities. And that's with good reason, because it doesn't. *Please*, take this offtopic

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-12 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:51:44 +0200, Ralf wrote in message 1336805504.2741.26.camel@precise: We should create a world of trust, instead of hanging on conspiracy theories. ..theories are harmless, until they become recipes for e.g. Kristallnächt-2.0 on 9/11. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 06:37:35PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:39:49 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, Enigmail does it with no user intervention. I don't use Enigmail, but I'd place a small wager that it can be set up to either pull

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:32:25PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, the OP signs his mail to a list. I would guess that no web of trust exists between him and 99.9% of the list members. What is the benefit of such a signature? I don't know Phil Dobbin, I haven't ever met him and I

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 06:57:45PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: That is certainly not the way mailing lists work, so causing a block of some 400 characters to be sent to each and every subscriber is pure self-indulgence, on the scale of insisting on sending HTML-formatted mail. On balance,

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Phil Dobbin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/12 07:45, Jon Dowland wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:32:25PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, the OP signs his mail to a list. I would guess that no web of trust exists between him and 99.9% of the list members. What is the

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 04:14:12PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 10/05/12 15:27, Phil Dobbin wrote: Cheers, Phil... So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:32:25PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 10/05/12 17:16, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:59:34 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, This resulted in Valid signature, but cannot verify sender (Phil Dobbin

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 05/11/2012 08:34 AM, Rob Owens wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:32:25PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 10/05/12 17:16, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:59:34 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, This resulted in Valid signature, but cannot

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 11 May 2012 09:16:33 -0400 Jeremy T. Bouse jeremy.bo...@undergrid.net wrote: Hello Jeremy, those that wish to do so. Inline simply generates too much needless noise and is a method that's at least 10 years out dated since the PGP/MIME standard was adopted. Whilst the above is true,

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Indulekha
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:47:04PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2012 09:16:33 -0400 Jeremy T. Bouse jeremy.bo...@undergrid.net wrote: Hello Jeremy, those that wish to do so. Inline simply generates too much needless noise and is a method that's at least 10 years out dated

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 11 May 2012 14:47:04 +0100 Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: Hello Brad, Whilst the above is true, it's also true that inline signing isn't going away soon because of certain companies reticence about implementing it correctly or at all. Where it refers to the PGP/MIME standard,

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 18:57:45 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: I've learned a lot about GPG signing during the last few days. I can see there are benefits where the recipient needs to be absolutely certain that the sender is known to him. Yes. And also the sender wants to ensure his/her posts

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 11/05/12 13:23, Rob Owens wrote: Or you could manually download all the public keys that you're interested in. On this list, that equates to zero. Which is why all those who sign their messages are wasting their time on an ego-trip. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 18:37:35 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:39:49 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, Enigmail does it with no user intervention. I don't use Enigmail, but I'd place a small wager that it can be set up to either pull public

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 11 May 2012 16:26:30 +0100 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org napísal: On 11/05/12 13:23, Rob Owens wrote: Or you could manually download all the public keys that you're interested in. On this list, that equates to zero. Which is why all those who sign their messages

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Phil Dobbin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/12 16:48, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 11 May 2012 16:26:30 +0100 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org napísal: On 11/05/12 13:23, Rob Owens wrote: Or you could manually download all the public keys that you're interested in. On

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:59:25PM +, Camaleón wrote: mode remember on We once faced a problem with faked posts in another mailing list. There was a user (with a severe Tourette Syndrom) that sent messages with the And you could tell this from his/her posts?, amazing!

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 03:18:02PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: Whilst the above is true, it's also true that inline signing isn't going away soon because of certain companies reticence about implementing it correctly or at all. Where it refers to the PGP/MIME standard, of course. Even if

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:53:12 +1200 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: Hello Chris, Even if Enigmail made PGP/MIME the default, or even better remove inline signing completely? I wasn't thinking of Enigmail/Mozilla, but Microsoft. Microsoft's software doesn't produce PGP/MIME

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 19:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 19:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 04:49 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: And you could tell this from his/her posts?, amazing! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 04:49 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: And you could tell this from his/her posts?, amazing! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome Hobby-psychologist are able to do this. The less differential diagnosis you know, the easier it is to defame. The ICE + DSM together

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 19:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 04:49 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: And you could tell this from his/her posts?, amazing! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome Hobby-psychologist are able to do this. The less differential diagnosis you

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:49:36 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:59:25PM +, Camaleón wrote: mode remember on We once faced a problem with faked posts in another mailing list. There was a user (with a severe Tourette Syndrom) that sent messages with the And you

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 17:27 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:49:36 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:59:25PM +, Camaleón wrote: mode remember on We once faced a problem with faked posts in another mailing list. There was a user (with a severe

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 11 May 2012 19:11:52 +0200, Ralf wrote in message 1336756312.8142.14.camel@precise: On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 19:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 19:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 04:49 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: And you could tell this

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
Jeremy T. Bouse: On 05/11/2012 08:34 AM, Rob Owens wrote: If I someday want to send an encrypted message to the Ralf that I know (debian-user Ralf), I can do it. For me, knowing Ralf's personal identity is not as important as knowing his online identity because our relationship is online.

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-11 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 12/05/12 01:48, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 11 May 2012 16:26:30 +0100 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org napísal: On 11/05/12 13:23, Rob Owens wrote: Or you could manually download all the public keys that you're interested in. On this list, that equates to zero. Which is why

OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 15:27, Phil Dobbin wrote: Cheers, Phil... So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to interpret this. - OpenPGP

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Phil Dobbin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/12 16:14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to interpret this.

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 16:45, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 10/05/12 16:14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to interpret this.

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:45 +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 10/05/12 16:14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to interpret this.

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:49:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:45 +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 10/05/12 16:14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread.

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:14 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Alternatively, should I just ignore the signature, in which case why is the sender polluting the list with useless crap? That's the problem. For Evolution all mails look ok. Below some mails there's a button that notifies me, when an

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:55 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:49:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:45 +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 10/05/12 16:14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, this message was signed. Having recently installed

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:14:12 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, this message was signed. Having recently installed enigmail, to see what all the fuss is about in the other thread. I find I'm at a loss to understand how to interpret this. (...) A093C263 gpg: Can't check signature: public

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:45:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:14 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Alternatively, should I just ignore the signature, in which case why is the sender polluting the list with useless crap? That's the problem. (...) And what's _what you

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:59:34PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:55 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 05:49:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:45 +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: With Evolution I can't. I need your keyserver and your

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:56 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:14:12 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Am I expected to go to some keyserver to find the sender's public key? It should be done automatically. Only if GPG is set up to do so.

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:59:34 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, This resulted in Valid signature, but cannot verify sender (Phil Dobbin bukowskis...@gmail.com): Because there's no web of trust involving people that both you and the keyholder know. -- Regards

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 17:16, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:59:34 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, This resulted in Valid signature, but cannot verify sender (Phil Dobbin bukowskis...@gmail.com): Because there's no web of trust involving people that

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:18:04 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:56 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:14:12 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Am I expected to go to some keyserver to find the sender's public key? It

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Tony, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: What is the benefit of such a signature? Those who know him now can verify the signature. In addition, if at any later stage someone else claims to have posted this message, the OP can prove that it was indeed him who posted it. Everybody

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 17:39, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:18:04 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:56 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:14:12 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Am I expected to go to some keyserver to find

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 17:40, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Tony, However, you are absolutely free to ignore the signature if it is of no value to you and most clients will even hide it by default (or show a small button). Thunderbird doesn't appear to. However, having activated enigmail, and linked it

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:42:55 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 10/05/12 17:39, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:18:04 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:56 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:14:12 +0100, Tony van

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 17:54, Camaleón wrote: you don't have to do nothing A double negative, Camaleón? ;) You have to do something? -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:59:41 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 10/05/12 17:54, Camaleón wrote: you don't have to do nothing A double negative, Camaleón? ;) In Spanish sounded good O:-) You have to do something? Configure Enigmail. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 17:32 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: So, the OP signs his mail to a list. I would guess that no web of trust exists between him and 99.9% of the list members. +1 That's what I try to explain. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 18:40 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Tony, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: What is the benefit of such a signature? Those who know him now can verify the signature. In addition, if at any later stage someone else claims to have posted this message,

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:07 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:45:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:14 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Alternatively, should I just ignore the signature, in which case why is the sender polluting the list with useless crap?

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Indulekha
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 06:40:42PM +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Tony, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: What is the benefit of such a signature? Those who know him now can verify the signature. In addition, if at any later stage someone else claims to have posted this

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Indulekha
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:25:39PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 18:40 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Tony, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: What is the benefit of such a signature? Those who know him now can verify the signature. In addition, if

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 10 May 2012 16:39:49 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, Enigmail does it with no user intervention. I don't use Enigmail, but I'd place a small wager that it can be set up to either pull public keys automatically or manually. What the default is, IDK. --

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:32:25 +0100 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: Hello Tony, What is the benefit of such a signature? Read Roger Leigh's message on just that subject. It explains things well. No point in me saying the same thing again. -- Regards _ / )

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 10 May 2012 19:18:53 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, Exactly and this is valid for the majority on mailing lists. True, but that's not the point. I always PGP sign list mail because it shows a single source, making it harder for somebody to spoof as me

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 May 2012 19:18:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:07 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:45:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 16:14 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Alternatively, should I just ignore the signature, in which case

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 10/05/12 18:25, Ralf Mardorf wrote: And what is the benefit of this on an open mailing list? To ensure that somebody called or didn't call somebody else names, gave right or wrong information? IMO this is infantile. Don't get me wrong! I'm not against signing, if other people wish to do. It

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 18:57 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 10/05/12 18:25, Ralf Mardorf wrote: And what is the benefit of this on an open mailing list? To ensure that somebody called or didn't call somebody else names, gave right or wrong information? IMO this is infantile. Don't get me

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 12:32 -0500, Indulekha wrote: -- Patageometry, n.: The study of those mathematical properties that are invariant under brain transplants. http://chubig.net telnet nightfall.org 4242 Actually, depending on the editor one uses to

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Indulekha
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 08:01:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 12:32 -0500, Indulekha wrote: -- Patageometry, n.: The study of those mathematical properties that are invariant under brain transplants. http://chubig.net telnet

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tony van der Hoff wrote: I've learned a lot about GPG signing during the last few days. I can see there are benefits where the recipient needs to be absolutely certain that the sender is known to him. Yes. Or that the sender belongs to a certain group, for which an

Re: OT: More about GPG signing

2012-05-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/05/12 07:29, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tony van der Hoff wrote: I've learned a lot about GPG signing during the last few days. I can see there are benefits where the recipient needs to be absolutely certain that the sender is known to him. Yes. Or that