Re: Very OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 09:53, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:14:00 +0930 Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Instead of saying, 'You can't pass this > > software on. You must buy it from the source,' it says, 'You can't > > buy this software from the source. If you pass i

Re: Very OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-06 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:14:00 +0930 Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Instead of saying, 'You can't pass this > > software on. You must buy it from the source,' it says, 'You can't > > buy this software from the source. If you pass

Re: Very OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-06 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:14:00 +0930 Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Instead of saying, 'You can't pass this > software on. You must buy it from the source,' it says, 'You can't > buy this software from the source. If you pass it on, you must make > sure that the next person has the same rig

Re: Very OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-05 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >The issue is not the modification of the hardware, per se, but rather > >the data that can then be pirated after the modification is made. > >Therefore, the one alternative is to limit piracy. In order to do that, > >strict policing of

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-05 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
> > >The issue is not the modification of the hardware, per se, but rather >the data that can then be pirated after the modification is made. >Therefore, the one alternative is to limit piracy. In order to do that, >strict policing of data streams is necessary. > > This is a logic conclusion onl

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-05 Thread Klaus Imgrund
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:22:46 -0700 "Josh Rehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Klaus wrote: > > That should be interesting! > > If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I > would > > love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in > > the hell are those pe

RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-05 Thread Josh Rehman
Klaus wrote: > That should be interesting! > If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would > love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the > hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a > marslander out of a ford taurus? O

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.2330 +0200]: > > Yes, it is, but that doesn't make it any less of a reality. As for who > > these people are, I believe the term is "politician". > > Why the fuck are we accepting thi

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:23:01AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > Pure crap. Let me give you an example: You haven't paid property tax for > a while. Then your property can be taken away from you. Which means it > was never yours. You just had a licence to say it was yours. As soon as > you

RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread deFreese, Barry
>You had a choice. You could have simply not bought that house. I >wouldn't have. Not that easy down here in Orange County area. Our development is the one of the oldest developments in Rancho Santa Margarita and it has an association. There is only one development here that doesn't and it is v

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Craig Dickson
deFreese, Barry wrote: > I didn't "agree" to shit, try finding a house out here in California that > doesn't have an association. You had a choice. You could have simply not bought that house. I wouldn't have. As for finding houses without housing associations, it's not at all difficult. You ju

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread bijan soleymani
Edward Guldemond wrote: >On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:23:01AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > > >>By the way, I like the idea of the duel. That would really be great, >>if they want to fight, let them do it themselves and stop messing the >>lives of others (who will not make any money from the

RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread deFreese, Barry
>The "Housing Associations" he is talking about are private associations of >homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house. >-- >John Hasler >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) >Dancing Horse Hill >Elmwood, WI I didn't "agree" to shit, try finding a house out here in Calif

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Mike Dresser
On 4 Oct 2002, Ron Johnson wrote: > Gov't bureaucrats can't just walk over to the County Records Office and > rip up your deed. The gov't must have a very good reason to do so, and > it takes a long time, and there are many hearings, appeals, etc. Up here in Ontario, Canada at least, it's not r

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Keith Willoughby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.04.1432 +0200]: > > No such luck. The Swiss signed on to the EU recently. > > You're not thinking of their joining the United Nations, are you? Yes. See my other message. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.)

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.04.1311 +0200]: > have you checked out xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php? there's also > www.xboxhacker.net Yes, thanks, they are on our resources list. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Keith Willoughby
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:18:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > It's in Switzerland where the DMCA (luckily) doesn't apply. > > > > You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not > > that far off ... > > No such luck. The Swi

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread ben
On Friday 04 October 2002 02:49 am, martin f krafft wrote: > With this thread, I am trying to achieve two things: > > - create a strategy to create one such cluster, or find technical > arguments against a cluster built on XBoxes. > > - show Hanspeter what an excellent mailing list debian-

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Vinai Kopp
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:39:19AM -0400, Edward Guldemond wrote: > (Disclaimer: I am an American. Maybe Mr. Rodriguez is as well, and if > so, then that's fine. I'm just venting after listening to Gerhard > Schroeder of Germany and after reading some of his campaign material.) Please take thi

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Edward Guldemond
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:23:01AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > By the way, I like the idea of the duel. That would really be great, > if they want to fight, let them do it themselves and stop messing the > lives of others (who will not make any money from the oil anyway!) > (Disclaimer:

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
Pure crap. Let me give you an example: You haven't paid property tax for a while. Then your property can be taken away from you. Which means it was never yours. You just had a licence to say it was yours. As soon as you stopped paying the yearly fee for the license, the truth came out. So, let

OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread martin f krafft
With this thread, I am trying to achieve two things: - create a strategy to create one such cluster, or find technical arguments against a cluster built on XBoxes. - show Hanspeter what an excellent mailing list debian-user is. As it stands, two days after the original post, we have abo

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.04.0006 +0200]: > Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that > they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum > market pentration. That *should* be illegal. Anyway, I ain't fighting M$ with the law a

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.2330 +0200]: > Yes, it is, but that doesn't make it any less of a reality. As for who > these people are, I believe the term is "politician". Why the fuck are we accepting this? The next person to say "democracy" will get my foot up th

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1952 +0200]: > I'm curious, do you know of any standard benchmark reports of Linux > on XBox such as LAPACK [1], kernel compilation, etc. Have you done > any yourself? Not yet. > What system bus and what type of RAM does an XBox use? I think it's

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 21:56, Vector wrote: > > Tom writes: >[snip] > property ownership in the US has become, at best, a joke. Even if you do > have it paid off, they city in which you live can come and take it from you > because you aren't "conforming" to their beautification ordinances or other

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:06 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: >

RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread ellipses
-Original Message- From: Jamin W.Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: mass installation on XBox On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread John Griffiths
>"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry >into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It >both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of >war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and

Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Vector
> Tom writes: > > Man, and you guys call this the land of freedom? > > The "Housing Associations" he is talking about are private associations of > homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house. > -- yeah, well...it used to be the land of freedom. It's still closer to f

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread John Hasler
Tom writes: > Man, and you guys call this the land of freedom? The "Housing Associations" he is talking about are private associations of homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- T

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, "deFreese, Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That should be interesting! > >If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would > >love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the > >hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't cons

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > It isn't illegal to play records backwards. > Then, am I going against the law if I rewire my record player to turn > the record the other way? No, but you're probably breaking your needle ;-) Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Serv

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:06:04 -0500 > Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that > > they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market > > pentration.

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0700, ben wrote: > On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:46 pm, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > I'm not sure they do. From Chapter III Article 6 (brief snippets, see > > > > article for complete version): > > | 1. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection again

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread ben
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:46 pm, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:02:25 -0700 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the > > xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of > > patents or copyrig

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread ben
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:06 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Not quite. As I understand it, the X

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:02:25 -0700 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the > xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of > patents or copyrights. That's the catch though. From what I've seen of the DMCA and

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Klaus Imgrund
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:06:04 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Not quite. As I un

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the > > execution of code to that signed and aut

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:01:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 11:28, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Ugh. I have to tell yo

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread ben
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote: > > > Ever heard of the term "circumvention", as applied to copy-prevention > > > techniques? See the URL you quo

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:41:52 -0300 Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That should be interesting! > If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would > love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the > hell are those people that think they can t

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 11:28, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about "why > > > would you want to d

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Klaus Imgrund
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:48:40 -0700 "deFreese, Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That should be interesting! > >If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I > >would love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who > >in the hell are those people that think t

RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread deFreese, Barry
>That should be interesting! >If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would >love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the >hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a >marslander out of a ford taurus? Or use a piece of h

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Klaus Imgrund
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:31:54 -0500 Jamin W.Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote: > > > Ever heard of the term "circumvention", as applied to > > > copy-prevention techniqu

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote: > > Ever heard of the term "circumvention", as applied to copy-prevention > > techniques? See the URL you quoted, chapter III, article 6. > > So as long as he's not playing pir

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:16:10 +0200 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not planing on harming Micro$oft. I am buying their product, just > not for the usage that they would like to see. I am not going to > reverse-engineer and I am not going to pirate anything or otherwise > damage t

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Oleg
On Thursday 03 October 2002 05:41 am, martin f krafft wrote: > Sure, the two 2GHz > processors will be done blazingly fast, but if you're talking about > something not quite as computationally intensive as graphics or some > other major matrix calculation, then the 700 MHz may well compare. It's

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > [snip] > > > > Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about "why > > would you want to do it." > > > > Why? Because it's possible. > > That's not a very g

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:42:08PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1118 +0200]: > > > You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not > > > that far off ... > > > > S

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: [snip] > > Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about "why > would you want to do it." > > Why? Because it's possible. That's not a very good reason for a University to spend it's limited amount of public money... --

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Kent West
martin f krafft wrote: >It isn't illegal to play records backwards. >Then, am I going against the law if I rewire my record player to turn >the record the other way? > What's a "record player", Daddy? ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1030 +0200]: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > > The controller ports are electrically compatible with USB, you just need > > to adapt the physical plug. A guy at my local LUG solved this by > > soldering a norma

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1346 +0200]: > > I can't imagine a single law that would forbid me to do something with > > a product I acquired, as long as that something isn't in disagreement > > with the law. > > Isn't that in general the nature of a _law_? It is

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:42:08PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1118 +0200]: > > You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not > > that far off ... > > So being German, I am interested. How the hell can anyone make

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1024 +0200]: > At what point in history did everybody forget that a tower is > essentially just an AT case with the rubber feet on the wrong side and > a different power supply? What's your point? -- martin; (greetings from t

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1028 +0200]: > I would think Microsoft would have to be giving away XBoxen to you for > you to properly make that claim. Or is that what happened and they > just don't know that Linux will be used yet? It's not a claim that I'll make offic

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.1118 +0200]: > You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not > that far off ... So being German, I am interested. How the hell can anyone make it illegal for me to modify the product I legally bought to do the legal t

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:49:23 +0200 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are valid points that speak for regular machines rather than > XBoxes. However, in terms of size and stackability, the XBox beats any > small tower or similar. Not by much: http://www.shuttleonline.com/spec.php

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:18:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > It's in Switzerland where the DMCA (luckily) doesn't apply. > > You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not > that far off ... No such luck. The Swiss signed on to the EU recently. -- Baloo msg05008/p

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0851 +0200]: > Consider a node that is a _dual_ Athlon 4 at 2000+ MHz. To match it > with pure CPU speed using XBoxes, one will need 6 of them. That's > $1000 right there. Add the mod chips, labor, network costs, > maintenance extras, inability to u

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:55:12AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0456 +0200]: > > Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel) > > there's this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the > > modification

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:49:23AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > These are valid points that speak for regular machines rather than > XBoxes. However, in terms of size and stackability, the XBox beats any > small tower or similar. At what point in history did everybody forget that a tower is es

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:57:41AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > Sorry. We'll invite anyone to come and visit the first > Microsoft-sponsored cluster of Linux nodes. I would think Microsoft would have to be giving away XBoxen to you for you to properly make that claim. Or is that what happened

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:56:09PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel) there's > this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the modification > of the box a violation of the DMCA. However, IANAL. So be sure to be living in

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > The controller ports are electrically compatible with USB, you just need > to adapt the physical plug. A guy at my local LUG solved this by > soldering a normal USB port on a cable to the back of one of the > controller ports. I'd hate

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Barney Wrightson
Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "vanilli" == vanilli writes: > > vanilli> How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns? > > Since I live in the USA, the legality of my using my DVD ROM drive to > watch legally obtained DVDs under Linux is at best questionable, and > probably outright

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Oleg
On Thursday 03 October 2002 01:49 am, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0048 +0200]: > > Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to > > install them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes,  mod chips, > > expensive Myrinet networks,

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 02 October 2002 10:57 pm, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0717 +0200]: > > > Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for > > > evolutionary computation. > > > > Are yo

RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread ellipses
Cool!! I'd come check it out.. -Original Message- From: martin f krafft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:58 AM To: debian users Cc: hanspeter kunz Subject: Re: OT: mass installation on XBox also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0717 +0200]: > > Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for > > evolutionary computation. > > Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-) Well, with the 100 DVD players and camserv, we are then planning to have

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0456 +0200]: > Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel) > there's this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the > modification of the box a violation of the DMCA. However, IANAL. It's in Switzerlan

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0048 +0200]: > Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to > install them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes, mod chips, > expensive Myrinet networks, and how much labor would it take to > replace *one* dual Athlon 4? T

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Preben Randhol
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/10/2002 (07:10) : > Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for > evolutionary computation. Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-) I find this hard to believe. Preben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Shyamal Prasad
"vanilli" == vanilli writes: vanilli> How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns? Since I live in the USA, the legality of my using my DVD ROM drive to watch legally obtained DVDs under Linux is at best questionable, and probably outright illegal. It's due to this grandiose

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:16:58 -0400 vanillicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns? Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel) there's this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the modification of the box a violati

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
> Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to install > them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes, mod chips, expensive Myrinet > networks, and how much labor would it take to replace *one* dual Athlon 4? > > Striclty speaking, for some hard problems, where "connectiv

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Oleg
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 04:47 pm, martin f krafft wrote: > Where else do you get a 700 MHz P3 with 64Mb and 8Gb hdd with network > support for $200? Aside, Debian runs on it, so why worry? Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to install them into each Xbox. Thirdly

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread vanillicat
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:22:51 -0400 Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I refuse to believe this nonsense. What university is this, and what > public grant will pay for the illegal use of hardware? Even from a > purely practical point of view, XBox will not pay for itself as a > cluster component. >

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.02. +0200]: > I refuse to believe this nonsense. What university is this, and what > public grant will pay for the illegal use of hardware? "illegal use of hardware" ??? show me the law that i am breaking, please! > Even from a purely practical

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread John Hasler
Oleg writes: > I refuse to believe this nonsense. What university is this, and what > public grant will pay for the illegal use of hardware? Illegal how? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Oleg
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 01:48 pm, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.02.1429 +0200]: > > > If the university pays, I'll happily oblige. If people have other > > > suggestions (PS2) that they can back up with solid arguments, we're > > > happy to l

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.02.1429 +0200]: > > If the university pays, I'll happily oblige. If people have other > > suggestions (PS2) that they can back up with solid arguments, we're > > happy to listen. > > Why does a university buy xbox? Because it's a cheap P3

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:53:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > I think you have to buy special (read: expensive) USB keyboards > and mice for the Xbox. The controller ports are electrically compatible with USB, you just need to adapt the physical plug. A guy at my local LUG solved this by solder

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Preben Randhol
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/10/2002 (13:03) : > > Do you already have the 100 Xboxen? Those $199 Wal-Mart specials > > look pretty interesting, but that's still $20,000 for 100 of them... > > If the university pays, I'll happily oblige. If people have other > suggestions (PS

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.02.1253 +0200]: > I think you have to buy special (read: expensive) USB keyboards > and mice for the Xbox. One more reason to boot off the network or a CDR. > Do you already have the 100 Xboxen? Those $199 Wal-Mart specials > look pretty inte

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 05:40, martin f krafft wrote: > hi there, > > we would like to set up about 100 Microsoft X-Boxes in a cluster > configuration running Debian. I have heard that they work with Debian > GNU/Linux and thus we are quite happily willing to take on the > challenge of making them

OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft
hi there, we would like to set up about 100 Microsoft X-Boxes in a cluster configuration running Debian. I have heard that they work with Debian GNU/Linux and thus we are quite happily willing to take on the challenge of making them all behave as one big computer. We are currently investigating