Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:31:56PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > If you're going for a USB DAC, how about this one: > http://www.usbdacs.com/ > :drooling: ... I own one of those... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:52:45 -0500 Nick Lidakis wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 03:40:33PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > On 20091015_144147, Nick Lidakis wrote: > > > Equipment: > > > Adcom GTP-450 Tuner > > > Adcom GCD-70

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 03:40:33PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > On 20091015_144147, Nick Lidakis wrote: > > Equipment: > > Adcom GTP-450 Tuner > > Adcom GCD-700 CDcarousel/player > > Adcom GFA-5000 dual audio amp > > Vandersteen

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On 20091015_144147, Nick Lidakis wrote: > > I have a couple of questions for you before I delve into details of my > > recommendaion. > > > > What kind of hi-fi are we talking about? Do you have a dedicated > > listening space or is

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > I have been out of touch with the high-end audio world since I bought > this system. I had never heard of Pass Labs until you mentioned them > in your email. Wikipedia puts them in the class where Adcom was when I > bought. I don't wa

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On 20091017_071352, ghe wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Fri,16.Oct.09, 13:50:04, Paul E Condon wrote: >> >>> electronics store. I have never seen balanced output of stereo audio >>> in a single jack on a computer. (An example of RC time constant >> >> I definit

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,16.Oct.09, 13:50:04, Paul E Condon wrote: electronics store. I have never seen balanced output of stereo audio in a single jack on a computer. (An example of RC time constant I definitely recall reading about sound cards with balance

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Fri,16.Oct.09, 13:50:04, Paul E Condon wrote: > electronics store. I have never seen balanced output of stereo audio > in a single jack on a computer. (An example of RC time constant I definitely recall reading about sound cards with balanced outputs. M-Audio would be a good start... Regard

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On 20091016_151335, ghe wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. >>> >>> Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. >> >> Impedance and balance are two

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. Impedance and balance are two different things. Impedance only becomes an issue wh

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On 20091016_115141, ghe wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly >> the high freq. part of the signal. > > Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. > > Use the hardware Deutsche Grammophone,

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

Glenn writes: > Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly > the high freq. part of the signal. > Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not any impedance if it is terminated. > Not at 100' anyway. Right. You can't hear 1Mhz. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

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On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. Use the hardware Deutsche Grammophone, etc. use -- your recordings aren't going t

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On 20091016_083137, Rob Owens wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > So far the responses that I have gotten comfirm without a doubt that > > what I was told by the sales person in Best Buy is not at all the > > whole story. There is *a lot* more to the solution

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > So far the responses that I have gotten comfirm without a doubt that > what I was told by the sales person in Best Buy is not at all the > whole story. There is *a lot* more to the solution than just buying an > adapter cable. Mention

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On 20091015_144147, Nick Lidakis wrote: > I have a couple of questions for you before I delve into details of my > recommendaion. > > What kind of hi-fi are we talking about? Do you have a dedicated > listening space or is this for casual listening when doing other > things, i.e., are we talking J

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

I have a couple of questions for you before I delve into details of my recommendaion. What kind of hi-fi are we talking about? Do you have a dedicated listening space or is this for casual listening when doing other things, i.e., are we talking JVC or Pass Labs? How important is it that the softw

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

H.S. wrote: steef wrote: <> er ... looks like your query was directed at me. The M-audio 2496, as far as I recall, worked out of the box with alsa on Ubuntu (since Gutsy, did it have 2.6.24 kernel). So I would expect it to work out of the box on any typical Debian desktop compute

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Monday 05 October 2009 13:20:14 Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > It is purely digital. 16-bit (not sure if this is floating- or > > > fixed-point), stereo, 44.1 kHz samples, IIRC. > > > > What's the differenc

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steef wrote: > H.S. wrote: >> >> Not sure if this is professional grade, but I have used M-audio 2496 >> (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496.html). It has >> worked like a charm. Used it for live music recording and also for >> playback via a mixer. The system is Ubuntu based, but

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H.S. wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:06:51PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Certainly not. At best it is equally bad. (On the other hand, apparently most people don't mind listening to music at low sound quality). YMMV. I use *professional* grade sound cards, becau

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Rob Owens put forth on 10/8/2009 5:28 PM: > On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:38:41PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Rob Owens put forth on 10/7/2009 8:02 PM: >> >>> When streaming music, if you play it on 2 different computers will the >>> music be in sync? I'm thinking of a sort of "party mode" where I

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On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:38:41PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Rob Owens put forth on 10/7/2009 8:02 PM: > > > When streaming music, if you play it on 2 different computers will the > > music be in sync? I'm thinking of a sort of "party mode" where I want > > the same thing playing in several r

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:53:21PM -0700, Mark wrote: > Rob wrote: > -- > Since you care about the sound quality, I'd recommend encoding with > flac. That's lossless, so there is no sound quality difference between > flac-encoded music and music straight from the CD.Forget about mp3. > It

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Rob wrote: -- Since you care about the sound quality, I'd recommend encoding with flac. That's lossless, so there is no sound quality difference between flac-encoded music and music straight from the CD.Forget about mp3. It sounds horrible, in my opinion. High pitch sounds like cymbals so

OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

Rob Owens put forth on 10/7/2009 8:02 PM: > When streaming music, if you play it on 2 different computers will the > music be in sync? I'm thinking of a sort of "party mode" where I want > the same thing playing in several rooms of the house. Depends on your distance to each loudspeaker. Sound

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Rob Owens wrote: > > Vorbis and mp3 are "lossy", which means that they approximate the sound > on the original recording. Kinda like zip compression that doesn't > exactly reproduce what you compressed. Flac is lossless. > > Somebody mentioned wav format. As far as I know, wav doesn't hold me

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

Rob Owens wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:06:51PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Certainly not. At best it is equally bad. (On the other hand, apparently >> most people don't mind listening to music at low sound quality). >> YMMV. >> I use *professional* grade sound cards, because I like

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On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 02:35:05PM -0700, Mark wrote: > >I have been mulling over the same kinds of problems for some time > >also. Noone in this thread has yet mentioned the Logitech Slingbox: > >http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=us,en

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:06:51PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > Certainly not. At best it is equally bad. (On the other hand, apparently > most people don't mind listening to music at low sound quality). > YMMV. > I use *professional* grade sound cards, because I like good sound quality.

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On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:18:10AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > Now, it is quite feasible to store my entire CD collection on hard > disk, even without compression, and all computers have audio > output. But what is the audio quality of the analog sound signal? I > went to the local Best Buy st

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems [solved, somewhat]

Well, I've certainly received many useful comments from first responders. The situation is, indeed, more complicated than the guy in the electronics store claimed. I can't say my problem is 'solved'. I now know that I have a lot of research and deciding to do. But I now have a solid starting point

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Stan wrote: - The cheapest solution by far is to use your current PC, and have a contractor come in and run an in wall digital optical cable from the room your PC is in to the room your A/V receiver is in. Plug a Toslink patch cable from the wall to the PC, and from the wall to the A/V rec

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Paul E Condon put forth on 10/5/2009 12:18 PM: > Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound > system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers > are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a > really heavy power amplifier box. Because

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

>I have been mulling over the same kinds of problems for some time >also. Noone in this thread has yet mentioned the Logitech Slingbox: >http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=us,en

Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 11:18:10AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound > system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers > are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a > really heavy power amplif

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Paul E Condon wrote: good sound system to play my CDs. store my entire CD collection on hard disk, even without compression, > and all computers have audio output. the cable run from where I have computers to where I have my hi-fi is ~100ft Have you considered building a media center/ home th

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Paul E Condon wrote: I don't want to just hook it up and listen, because the cable run from where I have computers to where I have my hi-fi is ~100ft and that distance precludes listening to different CD copies on HD in quick succession. And maybe it really is a good way to go, but my test indic

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On Monday 05 October 2009 13:20:14 Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > It is purely digital. 16-bit (not sure if this is floating- or > > fixed-point), stereo, 44.1 kHz samples, IIRC. > > What's the difference between 16-bit floating-point and 16-bit > fixed-point? I alw

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > It is purely digital. 16-bit (not sure if this is floating- or fixed-point), > stereo, 44.1 kHz samples, IIRC. What's the difference between 16-bit floating-point and 16-bit fixed-point? I always thought those are jus

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul E Condon wrote: > Now, it is quite feasible to store my entire CD collection on hard > disk, even without compression, and all computers have audio > output. But what is the audio quality of the analog sound signal? It depends on the quality of

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On Monday 05 October 2009 12:18:10 Paul E Condon wrote: > one's computer to one's home sound system, and showed me a short cable > that they have for sale that has a triaxial plug on one end and two > RCA jacks on the other and assured me that this was what he used at > home and that this was all t

OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems

Years ago (~35y), I spent a lot of money to get a really good sound system to play my CDs. It was fully transistorized. The loud speakers are big, with woofer, mid-range and tweeter, and are driven by a really heavy power amplifier box. Because of the solid-state internals, it has worked without in