On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:12 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> My apologies for screwing up the quote.
Never mind!
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> It would be nice to correct the quotation. I didn't wrote this. I didn't
> reply to this thread any more and somebody else did wrote those words,
> but it's quoted in a way, that people might think I've written this.
>
> Wrong quot
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 14:44 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Your intent is seen by those who can read. That is all that matters.
I don't worry that e.g. the Mossard will google and then kill me ;) or
the German prosecution and then they will sue me ;). But an employer
might google and then read
"
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Take a look what mails are from me and what mails are from others and
> take care about the fact that I was silent, I only replied when it
> became to insane.
>
> Discredit, defamation, lies!
>
> In the archive it's easy to see what mails, what words are from me
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 15:07 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:00:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> > > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> > > to exterminate the Jews, to indicat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:58:08PM +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
>
> This is, after all, a specialised list, not a comedy central.
You are joking, aren't you?
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:00:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> > to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood.
>
> I made a joke with the
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 18:02 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > >
> > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> > >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it wa
> >
> > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was
> >>> misunderstood.
>
> > Arrogant Bastard!
> >
Hoff
>> To: Ralf Mardorf
>> Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re:
>> Mail client, threads, etc...
>> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:24:41 +
>>
>> On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, To
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
> I anyway received mail from the admin.
Is it possible that we read it? It could be convenient to know what is
happening with Debian's view point.
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> Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re:
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> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:24:41 +
>
> On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Veljko wrote:
> [cut] And people should forgive
> each other, especially when they apologize. So shall we forgive each
> others and just move on? For crying out loud... Just drop it...
>
>
> Veljko
Seconded!
There is no such thing as universal joke. We always wi
My point is clear now, I think jokes here is a bad idea because of
the
problems they can give, but I understand if others disagrees. One can
always use a good laugh, and I am always searching for new jokes :-)
(I just think they will give more grief than laughs here)
- Titanus
Even jokes on
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:45:52 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > > etc., it becomes bad if
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > > etc., it becomes bad if pe
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
>
> > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> > a bad intention or he's
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
>
> > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> > a bad intention or he's
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:28:04PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews etc.,
> it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions.
I just couldn't agree more. I refuse to accept that people on this list
are malicious. People are helping oth
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> difference of the order to kill peo
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> Hello Ralf,
>
> >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really
> >were killed by Nazis.
>
> And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> Hello Ralf,
>
> >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really
> >were killed by Nazis.
>
> And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:31 +0100, darkestkhan wrote:
Tony wrote, not darkestkhan (not my mistake, the DE and MUA are broken),
pardon
> > >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the
> > >> >> order
> > >> >> t
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:31 +0100, darkestkhan wrote:
> >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> >> >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was
> >> >> misunderstood.
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:36 +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
Your joke was
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hello Ralf,
>This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really
>were killed by Nazis.
And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people didn't
find your comment about women funny.
You lose. Get over it. Mo
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:44 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
> Le 26.11.2012 14:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
> > On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the
> >>>
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 00:34 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
>> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
>> >> to ext
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 00:34 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunde
It's not marked as [off-list], but by accident send off-list.
I've got enough from this list.
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From: Tony van der Hoff
To: Ralf Mardorf
Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re:
Mail client, threads, etc...
Date: Mon, 26 N
Le 26.11.2012 14:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the
order
to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was
misunderstood.
I made a j
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood.
>
> I made a joke with the contend
>
> "Men tend to make m
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order
> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood.
I made a joke with the contend
"Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women
On 26/11/12 11:45, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>
> Le 26.11.2012 01:56, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
>> On 11/26/12, Neal Murphy wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ...
>>>
>>> OK. Pointed, direct humor
Le 26.11.2012 01:56, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
On 11/26/12, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ...
OK. Pointed, direct humor back at you. What was the shortest book
ever
published? "One Thousand Year
On 11/26/12, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> ... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ...
>
> OK. Pointed, direct humor back at you. What was the shortest book ever
> published? "One Thousand Years of German Humor", which consisted of the
>
On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> ... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ...
OK. Pointed, direct humor back at you. What was the shortest book ever
published? "One Thousand Years of German Humor", which consisted of the
frontispiece, the preface, and the introd
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 14:40:58, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> Obviously, Debian is working so well, for everybody, that we need
> something to keep the list from becoming dead air :-)
It happens during the freeze.
Kind regards,
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:14:19PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> All off-topic is caused by people who feel offended by harmless jokes,
> breaking threads, asking the wrong questions, carbon copy, brainstorming
> etc., not by the people who make harmless jokes, are breaking threads,
> asking the
Le 22.11.2012 22:07, Beco a écrit :
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, François TOURDE
wrote:
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch,
Lisi Reisz écrivait:
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can
see in
this first use in 1982:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, François TOURDE wrote:
> Le 15665ième jour après Epoch,
> Lisi Reisz écrivait:
>
>> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
>>> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
>>> this first use in 1982:
>>
>> That is what is so ve
Le Jeu 22 novembre 2012 12:39, Chris Harries a écrit :
> Well some of us think it was harmless
So I guess we should do a vote? :D <<<== this was a joke, hopefully
harmless, so people where elections are not fair, please do not take that
bad
/me ->[]
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Well some of us think it was harmless, especially if you understood
what he meant and not jumped the gun. We can all agree to disagree and
take this as a lesson not to make any joke in-case someone either a)
doesn't understand the joke or b) can't accept that some people's
English skills are not th
On 22/11/12 11:14, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Is there anything people are else allowed on Debian user mailing list,
> besides dissing people for harmless jokes, breaking threads, asking the
> wrong questions, carbon copy, brainstorming etc.?
>
> All off-topic is caused by people who feel offended by h
] Outrageous sexism - dump questions -
carbon copy - ignoring hidden ids - HTML - top posting - brainstorming -
etc.
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:06:26 +0100
Is there anything people are else allowed on Debian user mailing list,
besides dissing people for harmless jokes, breaking threads, asking the
wrong
Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 19:12, Brad Rogers a écrit :
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
> Hello Ralf,
>
>
>> I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour
>>
>
> I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one other
> person inv
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:11:08 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 23:28 +0100, François TOURDE wrote:
> > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch,
> > Lisi Reisz écrivait:
> >
> > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
> > >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke.
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 23:28 +0100, François TOURDE wrote:
> Le 15665ième jour après Epoch,
> Lisi Reisz écrivait:
>
> > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
> >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
> >> this first use in 1982:
> >
> > That is what i
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch,
Lisi Reisz écrivait:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
>> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
>> this first use in 1982:
>
> That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just
> over half
On 21/11/12 19:46:20, Siard wrote:
> Wait, don't go! ;-)
Seconded.
> I'm surprised that so much fuss is made about this.
Agreed. Surely something that could have been dealt with off list?
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Florian Snow wrote:
Ok, I understand that you were offended by Ralf's original "joke", but
is it really necessary to make an already heated debate worse by
making statements like yours? Ralf already explained that he actually
meant to apologize and didn't ask for an apology and others already
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I guess I'll unsubscribe. IMO it became ridiculous. I wasn't
> over-careful, IMO that's all.
Wait, don't go! ;-) Here at the European side of the Atlantic, jokes
about women as wel as men are very common, they are utterly harmless
and no one takes them seriously.
My observat
Lisi Reisz :
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 17:13:18 Brad Rogers wrote:
"Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else.
He probably is!
Ok, I understand that you were offended by Ralf's original "joke", but
is it really necessary to make an already heated debate worse by ma
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 -0300, Beco wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
> >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
> >> this first use in 1982:
> >
> > That is what is so very offens
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
>> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
>> this first use in 1982:
>
> That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just
> over half o
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 18:12 +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> Hello Ralf,
>
> >I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour
>
> I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one other
> person involv
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hello Ralf,
>I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour
I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one other
person involved in this rigmarole is not a native English speaker. As
such, it's ess
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 17:46 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
> > Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
> > this first use in 1982:
>
> That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just
> over h
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 17:13:18 Brad Rogers wrote:
> >Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I
>
> You should say either "I apologise" or "My apologies".
>
> "Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else.
He probably is!
Lisi
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On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote:
> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in
> this first use in 1982:
That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just
over half of the population is _funny_. As apparently do you.
Lisi
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"My apologies".
>
> "Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else.
I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour
doesn't lead to that much noise, in an environment where everything is
ok. I'm sorry for th
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:47:20 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hello Ralf,
>Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I
You should say either "I apologise" or "My apologies".
"Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else.
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:34 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist.
>>
>> It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as
>
Lisi Reisz:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist.
>
> It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as
> well?
I think you got Ralf wrong. He did not want to express that women are
not human but "to make
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:34 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist.
>
> It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as
> well?
>
> I'm going to protect myself from you by kill-f
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist.
It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as
well?
I'm going to protect myself from you by kill-filing you. You are utterly,
utterly beyond the pale.
Lisi
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