disclaimer: I have no interest in the future of reiserfs3 or
4 and I've never been a user of it (although I have tried it
out once or twice). I personally feel that any concepts
embedded within reiserfs that are worth salvaging would be
better implemented in another code-base.
On Sun, Mar 07,
For an educated man you make many assumptions, many
incorrectly. I didn't say the code was bad because Reiser
is a bad man. I said one of the reasons I wouldn't use
ReiserFS is because its author is a convicted murderer.
This has nothing to do with code, but supporting the work
of a
thib put forth on 3/8/2010 5:10 PM:
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I'm constantly Googling trying to find new ones. Apparently (and
unfortunately), thoughtful, thorough, and fair comparative Linux
filesytem
benchmarking is a very rare hobby. :(
Best thing to do would be to lurk on Phoronix until
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.comwrote:
thib put forth on 3/8/2010 5:10 PM:
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I'm constantly Googling trying to find new ones. Apparently (and
unfortunately), thoughtful, thorough, and fair comparative Linux
filesytem
benchmarking
On Dom, 07 Mar 2010, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 3/7/2010 1:33 AM:
AKA /argumentum ad Hitlerum/. Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism
is wrong.
It's probably very safe to say you just lost any respect you had on this
list by using a Hitler analogy. The analogy wasn't
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Stan Hoeppner wrote:
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
Based on all testing done for this benchmark essay, XFS appears to be the
most appropriate filesystem to install on a file server for home or
small-business needs :
* It
Clive McBarton put forth on 3/8/2010 3:29 PM:
That benchmark/article is from 2006 though, and the references are from
2003 and 2006. The hard disks are PATA and slow (100 and 133). Are there
any newer benchmarks?
I'm constantly Googling trying to find new ones. Apparently (and
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I'm constantly Googling trying to find new ones. Apparently (and
unfortunately), thoughtful, thorough, and fair comparative Linux filesytem
benchmarking is a very rare hobby. :(
Best thing to do would be to lurk on Phoronix until they release a new one.
You can already
On 03/07/2010 04:23 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
What *can* exist, maybe, are residual *fragments* (blocks or
sectors, since the original inodes and index structures were wiped
away by the mkfs) which a clever forensic technician could maybe
piece back together,
So, zeroing out the partition is a
In 4b93556d.8070...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-06 21:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 4b92a531.6090...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-06 09:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 20100306015538.gp11...@wasteland.homelinux.net, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Mark:
[H]ow do I
Just to drop my two cents, since no one did before:
Merely zeroing is not enough [1].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence
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thib wrote:
Just to drop my two cents, since no one did before: Merely zeroing is
not enough [1].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence
And if you see the notes:
http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html
Since writing the above, I have noticed a comment
On 3/6/2010 11:20 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/6/2010 9:11 PM:
If you are going to put reiserfs on a block device, it is not overly cautious
to erase the block device, to avoid (reiserfsck --rebuild-tree) from
performing necromancy.
One more reason not to use
On 3/7/2010 11:27 AM, thib wrote:
Just to drop my two cents, since no one did before:
Merely zeroing is not enough [1].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence
If you are re-installing, zeros don't matter (with exception already
noted of ReiserFS).
If you are decommissioning,
Mark Allums wrote:
If you are re-installing, zeros don't matter (with exception already
noted of ReiserFS).
Of course.
If you are decommissioning, there is no substitute for an electric drill.
Well, depends on who you're defending against.
-thib
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On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 18:42 -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
If you are decommissioning, there is no substitute for an electric drill.
What, just drill a hole in it? That will only affect a small part of the
disk.
I think our sysadmin team has a large log-splitting axe - much more
satisfying :-)
I'd
On 2010-03-07 19:21, Richard Hector wrote:
On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 18:42 -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
If you are decommissioning, there is no substitute for an electric drill.
What, just drill a hole in it? That will only affect a small part of the
disk.
I think our sysadmin team has a large
Ron Johnson put forth on 3/7/2010 1:33 AM:
AKA /argumentum ad Hitlerum/. Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism
is wrong.
It's probably very safe to say you just lost any respect you had on this
list by using a Hitler analogy. The analogy wasn't even relevant to boot.
Hitler didn't create
Mark Allums put forth on 3/7/2010 6:17 PM:
ReiserFS is okay. *Was* okay. I wouldn't use it *now*.But I find
it curious that your chosen alternative is XFS.
Mark Allums
Ext4 is usable, provided one doesn't ever need to rescue. Current live
CDs don't support it well (or mdRAID,
Richard Hector put forth on 3/7/2010 7:21 PM:
On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 18:42 -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
If you are decommissioning, there is no substitute for an electric drill.
What, just drill a hole in it? That will only affect a small part of the
disk.
I think our sysadmin team has a
On 3/7/2010 7:40 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-07 19:21, Richard Hector wrote:
On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 18:42 -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
If you are decommissioning, there is no substitute for an electric
drill.
What, just drill a hole in it? That will only affect a small part of the
disk.
On 3/7/2010 8:46 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 3/7/2010 6:17 PM:
ReiserFS is okay. *Was* okay. I wouldn't use it *now*.But I find
it curious that your chosen alternative is XFS.
I find it interesting that you find my choice curious, given that you
avoid the two
On 2010-03-07 20:30, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 3/7/2010 1:33 AM:
AKA /argumentum ad Hitlerum/. Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism
is wrong.
It's probably very safe to say you just lost any respect you had on this
list by using a Hitler analogy. The analogy wasn't
I was just looking at the stats for this thread: 38 total replies (not
counting the spinoff/individual replies), of which three were directly
helpful responses (thank you Aioanei, Theirry and Bob) which led me to more
specific Googling, which led to my ultimate solution.
Have we lost our way a
On 3/7/2010 10:10 PM, Mark wrote:
I was just looking at the stats for this thread: 38 total replies (not
counting the spinoff/individual replies), of which three were directly
helpful responses (thank you Aioanei, Theirry and Bob) which led me to
more specific Googling, which led to my ultimate
Ron Johnson put forth on 3/7/2010 9:18 PM:
Hans Reiser is a Bad Man, ergo any code that Hans Reiser writes is Bad?
That's so illogical, it makes ma think you're a Republicrat.
For an educated man you make many assumptions, many incorrectly. I didn't
say the code was bad because Reiser is a
Mark Allums put forth on 3/7/2010 9:05 PM:
Well, you undoubtedly have more experience than I with servers. JFS is
dying. XFS *is not* suitable for desktops, you are correct.
I don't know if it is or isn't suitable for desktops. It was the default FS
on Irix desktop workstations for over a
On 2010-03-07 23:21, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 3/7/2010 9:18 PM:
Hans Reiser is a Bad Man, ergo any code that Hans Reiser writes is Bad?
That's so illogical, it makes ma think you're a Republicrat.
For an educated man you make many assumptions, many incorrectly. I
On 3/8/2010 12:47 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-07 23:21, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 3/7/2010 9:18 PM:
Hans Reiser is a Bad Man, ergo any code that Hans Reiser writes is Bad?
That's so illogical, it makes ma think you're a Republicrat.
For an educated man you make
On 3/8/2010 12:43 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Look into XFS for desktop use. You may be surprised at what is has to
offer. I'm not saying jump right in, but at least do a little reading and
see if it might be worth just testing for your uses.
Okay. However, why doesn't Debian install it by
Mark Allums put forth on 3/8/2010 1:05 AM:
On 3/8/2010 12:43 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Look into XFS for desktop use. You may be surprised at what is has to
offer. I'm not saying jump right in, but at least do a little reading
and
see if it might be worth just testing for your uses.
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 10:44:30PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-05 22:14, Mark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Why do you think you need to blank the partition before installing
lenny? There *are* reasons to do that, but they
On 2010-03-06 03:07, Osamu Aoki wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 10:44:30PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-05 22:14, Mark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Why do you think you need to blank the partition before installing
lenny? There
In 20100306015538.gp11...@wasteland.homelinux.net, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Mark:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed): how do
I overwrite an existing partition (hda2 for example) with all zeros
(essentially blanking the partition clean in preparation for installing
On 2010-03-06 09:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 20100306015538.gp11...@wasteland.homelinux.net, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Mark:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed): how do
I overwrite an existing partition (hda2 for example) with all zeros
(essentially blanking
Osamu Aoki put forth on 3/6/2010 3:07 AM:
As I understand, if you have sensitive data on harddisk, just doing mkfs only
is not enough to erase them all. It overwrites very small portion of them.
It
certainly makes almost impossible to read them by most of us with limited
time. Doing dd
Bringing this thread to a close as I'm the OP:
1) Thanks to the people who actually provided help.
2) To the others, isn't one of the purposes of Linux to allow us to do what
we want, how we want, when we want? I have a preference to blank hdd
sectors with zeros before doing a new OS
On 2010-03-06 20:52, Mark wrote:
Bringing this thread to a close as I'm the OP:
1) Thanks to the people who actually provided help.
2) To the others, isn't one of the purposes of Linux to allow us to do
what we want, how we want, when we want? I have a preference to blank
hdd sectors with
In 4b92a531.6090...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-06 09:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 20100306015538.gp11...@wasteland.homelinux.net, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Mark:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed): how
do I overwrite an existing partition (hda2
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
We're allowed to question *spurious* justifications. If you'd have said
for privacy concerns instead of fear of ghost/residual files, the
response would have been markedly different.
Interesting, so what is
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/6/2010 9:11 PM:
1. Old installation using one of more reiserfs file systems.
2. Install Lenny without wiping; use one or more reiserfs file systems.
3. Worst-case scenario file system failure.
4. (reiserfsck --rebuild-tree) - Links files from the old file
On 2010-03-06 22:10, Mark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net
mailto:ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
We're allowed to question *spurious* justifications. If you'd
have said for privacy concerns instead of fear of ghost/residual
files, the
On 2010-03-06 21:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 4b92a531.6090...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-03-06 09:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 20100306015538.gp11...@wasteland.homelinux.net, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Mark:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers
On 2010-03-06 23:20, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/6/2010 9:11 PM:
1. Old installation using one of more reiserfs file systems.
2. Install Lenny without wiping; use one or more reiserfs file systems.
3. Worst-case scenario file system failure.
4. (reiserfsck
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed): how do I
overwrite an existing partition (hda2 for example) with all zeros
(essentially blanking the partition clean in preparation for installing
Lenny), without destroying the partition table? I've used the shred command
to
On 03/06/2010 01:09 AM, Mark wrote:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed):
how do I overwrite an existing partition (hda2 for example) with all
zeros (essentially blanking the partition clean in preparation for
installing Lenny), without destroying the partition
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Aioanei Rares debian.dev.l...@gmail.comwrote:
Something like dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda2 bs=4096
Thanks Aioanei, I'll give that a try. I know it's a dumb question I just
don't want to get it wrong!
On Saturday 06 March 2010 00:09:58 Mark wrote:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed): how do
I overwrite an existing partition (hda2 for example) with all zeros
(essentially blanking the partition clean in preparation for installing
Lenny), without destroying the
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr wrote:
If I understand your question correctly; you want to keep your 200 Gb
and
do a new install.First question: are those 200 gb on a separated
partition? If
no, then you should save the music on a external drive, or
On 2010-03-05 17:36, Mark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr wrote:
If I understand your question correctly; you want to keep your 200 Gb
and
do a new install.First question: are those 200 gb on a separated
partition? If
no, then you should save the
On Saturday 06 March 2010 00:36:31 Mark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr wrote:
If I understand your question correctly; you want to keep your 200 Gb
and
do a new install.First question: are those 200 gb on a separated
partition? If
no,
Mark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Aioanei Rares
debian.dev.l...@gmail.com mailto:debian.dev.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Something like dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda2 bs=4096
Yes, with emphasis on something like ;) /dev/null would return an
immediate EOF:
0+0 records in
0+0
Mark:
I hope there is a simple answer to this question (fingers crossed): how do I
overwrite an existing partition (hda2 for example) with all zeros
(essentially blanking the partition clean in preparation for installing
Lenny), without destroying the partition table?
Why do you think you
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Why do you think you need to blank the partition before installing
lenny? There *are* reasons to do that, but they have nothing to do with
the installation of a new OS.
Just a habit I've acquired over the years - I
On 2010-03-05 22:14, Mark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Why do you think you need to blank the partition before installing
lenny? There *are* reasons to do that, but they have nothing to do with
the installation of a new OS.
Just a habit
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