Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-12-22 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:49:42 +1000, Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: README.Debian exists in the package(s) which have made substainial changes to how the package operates. If it exists it contains important information that the maintainer wanted you to read. However, Debian's apache comes

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-24 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Then why don't more package implement that policy? If the package doesn't

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Aug-00, 18:17 (CDT), Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Then why don't more package implement that policy? Because they're

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Daniel Barclay
From: Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 19 2000, John Ackermann wrote: I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help.

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:12:47AM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Why? Because of all the times I've needed such information and it wasn't there or was hard to find. What's insufficient about dpkg -L package? (Or, if you've forgotten why you wanted to install the package, dpkg -s package to look

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Then they are in violation of the Debian policy. Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Some others do

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Daniel Barclay
From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... ... Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Then why don't more package implement that policy? Some

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all. ls -l /usr/doc/foo dpkg -L foo |grep bin dpkg -L foo |grep man dpkg -L foo |grep info works for *every* package. (Yes, I know it would be more efficient

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: So? I didn't say it was. I didn't say that Debian maintainers should clean up upstream documentation. I just argued that in doc directory, which typically contains a mess of upstream files, there should be a file that is

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Raul Miller
From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Then why don't more package implement that policy? Please give some examples

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Nate Amsden
There are probably 2 packaging interfaces you could check out .. kpackage (not part of debian i dont think but available from kde.tdyc.com) gnome-apt nate Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Debian packages don't provide that orientation

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-22 Thread Joey Hess
bish wrote: Just to find out what all packages are installed, there are no easy solutions. dpkg -l -- see shy jo

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-20 Thread bish
If there is anything called users-requests this certainly should be placed there for the kind Debian developers to take notice. Surely, dpkg --search / list / listfiles / print-avail is no replacement for a dedicated package/ wrapper for these purposes. Just to find out what all packages are

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-20 Thread John Hasler
Bish writes: There is a need for something like gnorpm/ kpackage/ glint used in RH and other RH based distros. Have you looked at console-apt? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-20 Thread bish
Frankly NO. It is not there in my CD based distribution from where I installed. It must be a later on addition to the debian applications after release of slink. I'll do an apt-get for this and give a try. Thanks. Just one last question. Does it work on local file systems as well, when the

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-20 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 05:33:05PM +0530, bish wrote: If there is anything called users-requests this certainly should be placed there for the kind Debian developers to take notice. Surely, the best way to make a feature request is probably to file a *wishlist* bug against package `general'

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-20 Thread Brad
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 09:34:54AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Bish writes: There is a need for something like gnorpm/ kpackage/ glint used in RH and other RH based distros. Have you looked at console-apt? Not to mention aptitude, gnome-apt, and good old dselect (hey, i like it). apt-cache

PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Daniel Barclay
Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after installing the package) to configure or use the package you just loaded? There needs to be a standard place to consult to know what a package needs (setup) and what

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Chris Waters
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 03:23:22PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after installing the package) to configure or use the package you just loaded? Most Debian packages

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread John Ackermann
Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after installing the package) to configure or use the package you just loaded? I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 19, John Ackermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help. less

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help. less /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list If you really care, write a nice wrapper

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Rogerio Brito
On Aug 19 2000, John Ackermann wrote: I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help. All packages *do* already have such

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Shaul Karl
Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after installing the package) to configure or use the package you just loaded? Are not the contents of /usr/share/doc/package contain this info? I heartily

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread John Hasler
Shaul Karl writes: Are not the contents of /usr/share/doc/package contain this info? No. It usually just contains the Debian changelog, the copyright files, and any miscellaneous docs from upstream (often none). Isn't dpkg -L package yield the list of files that are installed by

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread André Dahlqvist
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 07:50:31PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: That produces a list that is certain to be incomprehensible to a new user. If you're only interested in which config files a certain program uses you can do something like: dpkg -s package_name and read the part after Conffiles:. --

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread John Hasler
André writes: If you're only interested in which config files a certain program uses you can do something like: dpkg -s package_name and read the part after Conffiles:. Yes, of course I can: I'm a Debian developer and I have been using Debian since 1.1. The average new user, however, won't