On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 12:00:08PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
No. There's a fundamental difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
FreeBSD seems to have an attitude to Linux as Linux has to Windows.
Try to be like them and convert users by
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 10:53:05AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
It is BSD not Linux. Linux is a bit of SysV and a bit of BSD.
Permission of files inherit a bit of the directory they're in (I
forget the details). Initscrips
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 09:21:30AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/07/07 07:45, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:55:55AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:
I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?
On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
No. There's a fundamental difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
FreeBSD seems to have an attitude to Linux as Linux has to
Windows. Try
to be like them and convert users by making configs easy. OpenBSD
does
nothing to convert users;
David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
No. There's a fundamental difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
FreeBSD seems to have an attitude to Linux as Linux has to Windows. Try
to be like them and convert users by making configs easy. OpenBSD does
nothing
On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:35:46PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
You're close. Try this:
tar cvvf - bar | ssh -e none [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat foo.tar
Using - as the filename tells
On Friday 07 December 2007, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:
I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates:
4.2-release for i386 is now available. There is a bug with the XFCE
image, so that is still 4.1. amd64 architecture will
On Wednesday 05 December 2007, s. keeling wrote:
David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Please don't call this the Usual Python error recovery problems.
Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just
have to wrap
On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:
I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates:
4.2-release for i386 is now available. There is a bug with the XFCE
image, so that is still 4.1. amd64 architecture will follow within the
next few weeks.
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On 12/07/07 07:45, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:55:55AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:
I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? 4.2-release for
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:55:55AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:
I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? 4.2-release for i386 is now available. ?There is a bug with the XFCE
image, so that is still 4.1.
On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
It is BSD not Linux. Linux is a bit of SysV and a bit of BSD.
Permission of files inherit a bit of the directory they're in (I
forget the details). Initscrips are rc NOT SysV. If you add a
package you have to
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On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:35:46PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat foo.tar
Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any
On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I
first installed it you had to manually
On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I
first installed it you had to manually calculate
Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I
first installed it
Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
the docs. If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. When I
first installed it
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:43:08PM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
the docs. ?If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator
Michael Pobega wrote:
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What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may
still go
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Please don't call this the Usual Python error recovery problems.
Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just
have to wrap everything in a try block. So if you're getting error
messages in a stack trace, then call it
David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote:
I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to
know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which
aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib, /srv (Where I keep
all of my
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 16:19, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of
andy wrote:
David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote:
I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I
want to
know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which
aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib, /srv (Where I
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:21:20PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Plain old date? No. I prefer `date +%y%m%d.%H%M`.
I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but
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On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Plain old date? No. I prefer `date +%y%m%d.%H%M`.
I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I want to
know;
On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote:
I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I
want to
know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which
aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot, /lib, /srv (Where I keep
all of my chroots) and /etc are,
Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups?
We have 300+ Linux servers in the field that we support.
We use BackupEdge from www.microlite.com
Our tech support staff has handled crashed systems very easily using their
RecoverEdge bare metal recovery utilities since we
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:19:48PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
I have another laptop sitting around with a 60GB HDD; Could I use that
as a backup?
Sure. Note, however, that if that's you're only backup, and the only
use for that laptop, that since the drive is small compared to the
source
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On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:33:25PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/05/07 15:26, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:21:20PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM
On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat foo.tar
Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any sort of
piping through SSH before, so any sort of help would be appreciated.
You're close. Try this:
tar cvvf - bar |
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:22:48PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
What's your experience with rdiff-backup been? When I tried it I
found it way too fragile to be a viable backup solution. If the
backup was interrupted for any reason, it would corrupt the history
data, and all future
Bill Smith wrote:
andy wrote:
David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Michael Pobega wrote:
I'm trying to write a shell script to use tar for backups, but I
want to
know; Which directories are nessecary to backup with tar and which
aren't? Obviously /bin, /usr, /home, /boot,
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:19:48PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
Just `tar -cvvf backup-`date`.tar /`? Is it really that simple?
You don't need to backup the whole /.
I have a file called backuplist:
/etc/
/usr/local/
/root/
/var/local/
/home/
and I have a file called excludelist:
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On 12/05/07 15:26, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:21:20PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/05/07 10:12, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Plain old date? No. I prefer
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On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:35:46PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat foo.tar
Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any sort of
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:22:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 16:01, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
less frequent burn to tiny CD-R to fit in the Bank's Safety Deposit Box.
Before I go away anywhere (i.e. out of town), I copy the most important
of the backup to a 4 GB USB
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:35:46PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
tar cvvf foo.tar bar | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat foo.tar
Or am I doing it wrong (I most likely am)? I've never done any sort of
piping through SSH before, so any sort of help
Ralph Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 12/04/2007 05:19 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH,
David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Please don't call this the Usual Python error recovery problems.
Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just
have to wrap everything in a try block. So if you're getting error
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 09:17:15AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Please don't call this the Usual Python error recovery problems.
Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just
have to wrap everything in a try block.
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:15:43AM +0100, s. keeling wrote:
David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Please don't call this the Usual Python error recovery problems.
Python allows you to trap all the errors it could discover. You just
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:39:28PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
Very nice. I'll be trying this when I get home; Although before I
attempt this I'll probably attempt to install OpenBSD on my other
laptop -- But that's a whole 'nother story.
Big hint: read the OpenBSD faq from the website
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What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may
still go wrong.
So list your
On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
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What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running
servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good
method of
backing up, because no matter how much security
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:09:12PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may
still go wrong.
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On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
backing up, because no matter how much security someone has
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:09:12PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may
still go wrong.
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
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On 12/04/07 16:01, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
less frequent burn to tiny CD-R to fit in the Bank's Safety Deposit Box.
Before I go away anywhere (i.e. out of town), I copy the most important
of the backup to a 4 GB USB stick.
This means
Ron Johnson on 04/12/07 22:22, wrote:
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On 12/04/07 16:01, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
less frequent burn to tiny CD-R to fit in the Bank's Safety Deposit Box.
Before I go away anywhere (i.e. out of town), I copy the most important
of the backup
On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
Seriously though, I use rdiff-backup and cron jobs to pull backups of
critical data and /etc using pub-key ssh authentication to make the
connections. I have no bare-metal restoration plan, just reinstall,
install packages, recover data
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:09:12 -0500
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running
servers on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a
good method of backing up, because no
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:22:48PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
Seriously though, I use rdiff-backup and cron jobs to pull backups of
critical data and /etc using pub-key ssh authentication to make the
connections. I have no bare-metal
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:30:58PM -0800, Raquel wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:09:12 -0500
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running
servers on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH,
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:50:58 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:30:58PM -0800, Raquel wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:09:12 -0500
, Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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What is d-u's
On 12/04/2007 05:19 PM, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
On 12/04/07 16:19, Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:04:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 12/04/07 15:09, Michael Pobega wrote:
What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
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