Paul Johnson wrote:
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>On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 06:23:04PM +, Pigeon wrote:
>> with even slightly different controls - like a different gearshift
>> pattern - nobody would buy it.
>
>Explain Volkswagen's shifting pattern through the 1970s, where
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:46:17PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> Now, imagine calling tech support for major router vendor C, J, or N;
> or calling tech support for a tier 1 provider. If you can quickly
> demonstrate that you have a clue, you get lu
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:18:47PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:01:09PM -0800, Osamu Aoki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Dude :-)
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 09:07:08PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> The video is something I've never seen, though there's an adapt
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:41:25AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> On Saturday 29 March 2003 02:37, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
>
> > -MS Windows controlled BIOS setup (I just found out the new Toshiba laptops
> > have no more "hit to enter setup" on boot. It is all handled through
> > Windows utilities
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:34:47AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:21:23PM +1200, cr wrote:
> > That 'tech support' is a red herring anyway, at least if you have Internet
> > access. I've had better support from the linux-newbie, gnome, debian
> > mailing lists (and even
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:41:25AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> On Saturday 29 March 2003 02:37, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
>
> > -MS Windows controlled BIOS setup (I just found out the new Toshiba laptops
> > have no more "hit to enter setup" on boot. It is all handled through
> > Windows utilities
On Saturday 29 March 2003 07:41, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >As a perennial budget-limited fixer/upgrader of not-quite-new PC's, I
> > just don't want to know these brand-name bleeding-edge
> > nobody-else's-bits-fit 'top
> >name' brands. Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM you can keep 'em.Give me
a
>
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 06:27:25PM +0200, Barak Korren wrote:
> offcorse I wonder how are they going to solve problems such as
> misconfigured primary IDE drive...
> (Can't boot windows... Knoppix anyone? ;)
If my primary IDE is fubar in the BIOS, I
Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:41:25AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote:
Isn't this illegal? If toshiba is doing this, by M$'s request, then
it clearly is violation of anti trust (or what ever law), right?
You misattribute to malice wh
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:41:25AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> Isn't this illegal? If toshiba is doing this, by M$'s request, then
> it clearly is violation of anti trust (or what ever law), right?
You misattribute to malice what can readily be expla
On Saturday 29 March 2003 02:37, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> -MS Windows controlled BIOS setup (I just found out the new Toshiba laptops
> have no more "hit to enter setup" on boot. It is all handled through
> Windows utilities written by the vendor)
Oh, This can be the worst news of the day for m
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:21:23PM +1200, cr wrote:
> That 'tech support' is a red herring anyway, at least if you have Internet
> access. I've had better support from the linux-newbie, gnome, debian
> mailing lists (and even from a guy I just happ
On Saturday 29 March 2003 07:41, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >As a perennial budget-limited fixer/upgrader of not-quite-new PC's, I
> > just don't want to know these brand-name bleeding-edge
> > nobody-else's-bits-fit 'top
> >name' brands. Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM you can keep 'em.Give me a
>
Old Japanese notebook PC (sony, toshiba) came with nonstandard
connectors which required special cable but not DELL. I thought US
market demanded industry standard. After all their DELL PC are bulkey?
You are correct. The US market absolutely demands the following industry
standards:
-MS Wind
Dude :-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 09:07:08PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:22:22PM -0800, Martin J. Hillyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:48:26AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > I can go into any local-owned computer sto
As a perennial budget-limited fixer/upgrader of not-quite-new PC's, I just
don't want to know these brand-name bleeding-edge nobody-else's-bits-fit
'top
name' brands. Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM you can keep 'em.Give me a
Joe's Computer Shop special assembled from off-the-shelf bits any day.
On Friday 28 March 2003 11:10, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >And it will probably have an industry standard power
> >supply/motherboard connector (unlike the Dell).
> >
> >See, e.g.
> >
> >http://www.upgradingandrepairingpcs.com/articles/upgrade3_01_01.asp
>
> Why I am positively aghast!!! How dare you
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:10:20PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> [Note: in case the tone came out too serious, this is actually a joke!]
Rest assured, I laughed my ass off. Thanks for saving the evening. ;-)
Still chuckling,
Nick
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And it will probably have an industry standard power
supply/motherboard connector (unlike the Dell).
See, e.g.
http://www.upgradingandrepairingpcs.com/articles/upgrade3_01_01.asp
Why I am positively aghast!!! How dare you even suggest that a major
hardware (or even software) even consider someth
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:48:26AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> I can go into any local-owned computer store and they'll sell me a
> machine comparable to Dell's offerings at around half the price and
> they'll back thier work. $1500 is quite expensive for a single PC.
>
> - --
> .''`
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:48:26AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:13:14PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> > Perhaps I am out in left field, but if a business considers a $1500
> > computer "expensive", there may be other problems at said company
> > besides fear of linux.
>
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:13:14PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> Perhaps I am out in left field, but if a business considers a $1500
> computer "expensive", there may be other problems at said company
> besides fear of linux.
I can go into any local
Perhaps I am out in left field, but if a business considers a $1500
computer "expensive", there may be other problems at said company
besides fear of linux.
We are a club at the local university. With very limited funds, no less.
-Roberto Sanchez
Just out of curiosity, what are the specs of the new machine,
and what are they proposing to do with it? I cannot understand
why they did not buy 2-3 machines instead of one expensive one.
Is there some explanation other than blind stupidity?
The machine specs are below. The real kick in the pan
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 08:33:46AM +0100, Conrad Newton wrote:
> >From Roberto Sanchez on Tuesday, 2003-03-25 at 18:45:52 -0500:
> > It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the
> > list), and got a "we'll think about it." Today when I went into the
> > lounge, I saw
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 07:51:56AM -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 08:33:46AM +0100, Conrad Newton wrote:
> > >From Roberto Sanchez on Tuesday, 2003-03-25 at 18:45:52 -0500:
> > > It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the
> ...
> > Just out o
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 08:33:46AM +0100, Conrad Newton wrote:
> >From Roberto Sanchez on Tuesday, 2003-03-25 at 18:45:52 -0500:
> > It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the
...
> Just out of curiosity, what are the specs of the new machine,
> and what are they pro
>From Roberto Sanchez on Tuesday, 2003-03-25 at 18:45:52 -0500:
> It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the
> list), and got a "we'll think about it." Today when I went into the
> lounge, I saw the shiny new ~$1500 Dell. They also won't let me have the
> old mac
said Roberto Sanchez (on 2003-03-25),
> It didn't work out. I offered some other ideas (as suggested here on the
> list), and got a "we'll think about it." Today when I went into the lounge,
> I saw the shiny new ~$1500 Dell. They also won't let me have the old
> machines, since they could only
Roberto Sanchez wrote:
I seem to have a small problem that maybe someone on the list can help
with.
I belong to a small organization on campus. We currently have some very
old (circa 1995-1996) PCs running Win95. These machines have Pentium
150-166 CPUs and 32 MB RAM.
They are in need of re
On Tuesday 18 March 2003 00:24, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:50:43AM +1200, cr wrote:
> > Well, to take the analogy back to Linux - vs - Windoze - all word
> > processors work pretty much the same. All spreadsheets work pretty
> > much the same. The difference between
> The part of the argument that is incomprehensible to me is
> why they need $1000 to buy a single computer! Nowadays most
> people (even those who use Windows) are spending $500 or less.
>
> Since presumably no one in the group is simulating nuclear
> bomb blasts or calculating the structure o
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:56:34 -0800
From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
> . . . Volkswagen's shifting pattern through the 1970s, where
> shifting to reverse was the same as shifting into first gear except
> you pushed the gearshift down while doing it...heck, the vehicle best
> known f
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 07:08:04AM -0500, Tom Allison wrote:
>
> Terminal Servers, not the workstations, take up more than the typical
> amount of RAM. Remember, you are now running multiple users on this one
> box and even with the efficiency of memory object sharing you can quickly
> get int
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:50:43 +1200
From: cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Well, to take the analogy back to Linux - vs - Windoze - all word
>processors work pretty much the same. All spreadsheets work pretty much the
>same. The difference between M$Word and AbiWord, or Excel and Gnu
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:30:29 -0500 (EST)
Geordie Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No? What about the three-on-the-tree manual transmission shifter?
> Plenty of those were shipped by Ford, GM, and Chrysler from the
> fifties through the seventies.
Three-on-the-tree was the standard for many ye
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:57:11AM -0500, Tom Allison wrote:
> First, end-runs aren't very popular and if you don't succeed, you're cannon
> fodder.
> Second, what makes you think that the "higher-ups" won't fall into the same
> rut of only seeing Wi
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:50:43AM +1200, cr wrote:
> Well, to take the analogy back to Linux - vs - Windoze - all word
> processors work pretty much the same. All spreadsheets work pretty
> much the same. The difference between M$Word and AbiWord, or Excel
> and Gnumeric, is no greater th
Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote:
On Saturday 15 March 2003 05:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:06:23 -0500
"Roberto Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Has anyone encountered this? How was this handled? What was the
outcome? What can I do?
Ask them if you can have the old machines.
C
Conrad Newton wrote:
Or buy two machines, one expensive Windows machine, but also one $200-$300
Linux machine. That should be enough for your terminal server. If you
can convince the others that you can do more with your cheap machine
then they could with their expensive one, they may be more i
Paul Johnson wrote:
Is there a board of directors or some other group you can end-run
around the current decision to? I'm sure higher-ups would love to
know thier subordinates are refusing to consider a more cost-effective
solution.
I do not believe that this would work at all.
First, end-runs ar
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:56:08AM +1200, cr wrote:
> think the main factor with them is, they're afraid to stick their
> necks out. Remember "Nobody ever got fired for specifying IBM" ? I
> expect M$ have adopted that slogan, by implication at least
On Monday 17 March 2003 06:23, Pigeon wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:05:57AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 10:29:42AM +1200, cr wrote:
> > > Agreed, but unfortunately there's all this spurious 'compatible' crap.
On Sunday 16 March 2003 23:05, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> > I get sick of having to explain to M$ users who don't know any
> > better that, yes, I can display JPG's in Linux and no, I don't need
> > M$ Word, there are perfectly good word processors, possibly even
> > better ones, available for
said Pigeon (on 2003-03-16),
> relative positions and work the same way. If you were to make a car
> with even slightly different controls - like a different gearshift
> pattern - nobody would buy it.
No? What about the three-on-the-tree manual transmission shifter? Plenty
of those were shipped
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 06:23:04PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> with even slightly different controls - like a different gearshift
> pattern - nobody would buy it.
Explain Volkswagen's shifting pattern through the 1970s, where
shifting to reverse was the sa
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:05:57AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 10:29:42AM +1200, cr wrote:
> > Agreed, but unfortunately there's all this spurious 'compatible' crap.
> > Nobody was ever scared off buying a GM car becau
On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 20:20, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote:
> When you have succeded in setting up the LTSP, the server, samba, printing,
> openoffice etc. /leave it like that/. Don't touch the system unless there are
> bugs to fix or serious flaws appear. If the machines are unavailable because
> you
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 10:29:42AM +1200, cr wrote:
> Agreed, but unfortunately there's all this spurious 'compatible' crap.
> Nobody was ever scared off buying a GM car because it wasn't
> 'Ford-compatible'.
Really? So that's why you see so m
On Sunday 16 March 2003 16:39, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 10:44:51PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > The "solution" that they decided on (not yet implemented) is to keep
> > > the aging machines and purchase one new Dell machine with
> > > WinXP/OfficeXP.
> >
> > Good argumen
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 10:44:51PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > The "solution" that they decided on (not yet implemented) is to keep
> > the aging machines and purchase one new Dell machine with
> > WinXP/OfficeXP.
>
> Good arguments, and likel
on Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 08:06:23PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> I seem to have a small problem that maybe someone on the list can help
> with.
>
> I belong to a small organization on campus. We currently have some
> very old (circa 1995-1996) PCs running Win95. These ma
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Saturday, 2003-03-15 at 21:22:40 +0100:
> >From Roberto Sanchez on Friday, 2003-03-14 at 20:06:23 -0500:
> >
> > The budget is $1000-1200 (max). My solution (I was asked for my opinion,
> > as I am seen as pretty computer savvy) was for us to go to Walmart and
> > pur
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:20:54 +0100
Svenn Are Bjerkem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If they don't want to use the hardware and your knowledge, someone
> > else will.
>
> Kevin start out right but get the wrong conclusion. Up until the last
> paragraph he has the right strategy.
Actually what yo
>From Roberto Sanchez on Friday, 2003-03-14 at 20:06:23 -0500:
>
> The budget is $1000-1200 (max). My solution (I was asked for my opinion,
> as I am seen as pretty computer savvy) was for us to go to Walmart and
> purchase 4 to 6 Linux boxes for $200-$300 each. My rationale was:
>
> (snip)
>
On Saturday 15 March 2003 05:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:06:23 -0500
>
> "Roberto Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Has anyone encountered this? How was this handled? What was the
> > outcome? What can I do?
>
> Ask them if you can have the old machines.
>
> Check ou
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 08:06:23PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> The budget is $1000-1200 (max). My solution (I was asked for my opinion,
> as I am seen as pretty computer savvy) was for us to go to Walmart and
> purchase 4 to 6 Linux boxes for $2
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:06:23 -0500
"Roberto Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone encountered this? How was this handled? What was the
> outcome? What can I do?
Ask them if you can have the old machines.
Check out the Linux Terminal Server Project, and figure out how to use
the old ma
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> The budget is $1000-1200 (max). My solution (I was asked for my opinion, as
> I am seen as pretty computer savvy) was for us to go to Walmart and purchase
> 4 to 6 Linux boxes for $200-$300 each. My rationale was:
Another thing to look at: http://
Roberto Sanchez wrote:
I seem to have a small problem that maybe someone on the list can help
with.
I belong to a small organization on campus. We currently have some very
old (circa 1995-1996) PCs running Win95. These machines have Pentium
150-166 CPUs and 32 MB RAM.
They are in need of rep
hey roberto,
like the other post said, really, i don't know how much of a chance you
have for convincing them. that doesn't mean it isn't worth a shot though.
i think your best bet is downloading and burning a knoppix iso, and when
they get their new shiny computer, put it in and see what they th
On Friday 14 March 2003 08:06 pm, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> The "solution" that they decided on (not yet implemented) is to keep the
> aging machines and purchase one new Dell machine with WinXP/OfficeXP.
> Their rationale:
>
> 1. Unwillingness to give up familiarity of MS Windows interface
>
> I e
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