On 11 Jun 2002, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>
> On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> > [Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
> > non-GNU awk, while sporting the "GNU/Linux" branding]
> >
> > Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least
> > ask/inform
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:01:47AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>
> On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> > [Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
> > non-GNU awk, while sporting the "GNU/Linux" branding]
> >
> > Summary: Dan says the debian install process shoul
At 2002-06-11T19:39:15Z, "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well put, Kirk. There is no problem (other than length of a release
> cycle, but this isn't the place to fix that).
Thanks. I suspect the OP was a troll, but I just couldn't resist. :)
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 09:04:50AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
| At 2002-06-11T12:24:09Z, Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| > I'm talking about the most basic of user. All these names are foreign.
| > He has just inserted the 8 woody CD's given to him by a friend and is
| > following ins
On 11-Jun-2002 James Troup wrote:
> "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> as I said, two years ago I found that random awk scripts worked
>> better with mawk than gawk, this has likely changed.
>
> Err, actually you claimed that this (i.e. 'random awk scripts
> work[ing] better'
"Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> as I said, two years ago I found that random awk scripts worked
> better with mawk than gawk, this has likely changed.
Err, actually you claimed that this (i.e. 'random awk scripts
work[ing] better') is why mawk is the default, but that's comple
On 11-Jun-2002 James Troup wrote:
> "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> As to the specific awk issue, when we made the choice mawk worked better on
>> more scripts than gawk did. This may have changed in the last 2 years or so
>> but was still valid when potato came out.
>
>
So if anyone wants to have any bearing on issues like which emacs the
tasks select, you need to subscribe to debian-testing and respond to
requests to test the task system. Coming sniveling and ccing BS to rms
6 months too late is not very effective. The tasks will select emacs21
in the major relea
%% Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
as> Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> For most new users emacs20 is just as good as 21. The two large
>> changes in 21 for newbies were a better X front end and console font
>> locking.
as> Also, better menus, toolbar, toolt
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> For most new users emacs20 is just as good as 21. The two large
> changes in 21 for newbies were a better X front end and console font
> locking.
Also, better menus, toolbar, tooltips, automatic hscroll, hourglass,
sane delete key setup (especia
"Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As to the specific awk issue, when we made the choice mawk worked better on
> more scripts than gawk did. This may have changed in the last 2 years or so
> but was still valid when potato came out.
Err, no. Mawk is the default because (since a
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 11:01:47AM -0300, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
> Looks fine to me. As basic user I don't even know what GNU is so I am
> not too concerned about it.
if you ever used ls, find or grep, you are already a user of GNU. the
chances are big, that you use such basic tools.
debian embrace
At 2002-06-11T12:24:09Z, Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least ask/inform
> the user that he is not getting current official GNU tools despite the GNU
> on the box, and in some cases [awk] he isn't even getting a GNU tool.
You kno
On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> [Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
> non-GNU awk, while sporting the "GNU/Linux" branding]
>
> Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least
> ask/inform the user that he is not getting current official GNU tool
Dan wrote:
I'm thinking of the most basic user that sees the shiny GNU/Linux
label and, thinking that debian is "more GNU" than the other Linux
distributions, chooses debian, only to find out that if he wants GNU
versions [gawk], or current versions [emacs21] he must do fancy
maneuvers [apt-get]
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 08:24:09PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Why not put the fancy maneuvers burden on the experts? Why not
> install current _official_ versions of all GNU tools by default? If
> there is something wrong with those tools then "go file a bug" with
> their maintainers.
So, why
> [Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs
> and 6 year old non-GNU awk, while sporting the
> "GNU/Linux" branding]
>
[snip]
>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's hope he gets s much mail that he can't respond to
the list about this (non-)issue !!
Regards
Hall
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