Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: > Outside of the "crash" screen saver, I have yet to see a BSOD in > Linux. 8:o) Actually I did once, no blue screen of course but I did manage to crash Debian Woody. Fsking around with hdparm at the time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

To wind this down a bit (massive snippage) > > > > Thin Clients might be suitable for copy typists, data entry clerks > > > > and Dumb Users.Certainly not for engineers or anybody who's > > > > likely to be reading this list. If we thought Microcrap was the > > > > greatest we wouldn't

Re: Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 03:45, cr wrote: > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:19, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 00:06, cr wrote: > > > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:14, cr wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > > > O

Re: Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:19, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 00:06, cr wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:14, cr wrote: > > > > On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +, Pigeon wro

Cube (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:21:28AM +0800, csj wrote: > Many of the free games available in main will give you the same > feeling when compared with commercially developed games like > Quake and cousins. All I'm looking for is a first person > perspective game that doesn't strap you on to a seat

Re: Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 00:06, cr wrote: > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:14, cr wrote: > > > On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > > > Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appea

Re: Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:14, cr wrote: > > On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > > Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo > > > > C editor to e

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:21:28AM +0800, csj wrote: > Kind of reminds you of a certain highly stable GNU/Linuxdistro? > Really, there are tons of DOS or Win 3.1 era games that are > infinitely more fun than the latest 3D fragfest. Right now I'm > trying out the freeware "beneath-a-steel-sky" (I w

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Onc Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:49:23 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:36:36AM +0800, csj wrote: > > > I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube > > . Have any frag freaks here > > tried it? It seems fast enough for my medi

Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:14, cr wrote: > On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo > > > C editor to edit text files; I think the guys who wrote EDIT.COM did

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo > > C editor to edit text files; I think the guys who wrote EDIT.COM did > > too. > > I remember c:\dos\edit.com fondly

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 at 01:25 GMT, Paul Johnson penned: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:19:09AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >> Not sure what you mean about treating employees/customers to a >> universal environment. They do expect a universal envi

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:41:58AM -0800, Tom wrote: > Remember when you were 15 and got a beer? You went and drank it in some > dumb place, made a huge deal about it, told your friends stories about > it, and generally did a lot of immature stuff.

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:19:09AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > Not sure what you mean about treating employees/customers to a universal > environment. They do expect a universal environment -- windows 2000. That would be a pretty good example o

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:36:36AM +0800, csj wrote: > I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube > . Have any frag freaks here > tried it? It seems fast enough for my mediocre video card. Just > wondering why there isn't a Debian package for i

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 at 10:33 GMT, Paul Johnson penned: >> > >> > I've heard that one of the original justifications for the GNU >> > software project was to enable software professionals to have >> > something to use and hold as they moved from one employer to >> > another, something that was not

Cube -- was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

csj wrote: I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube . Have any frag freaks here tried it? It seems fast enough for my mediocre video card. Just wondering why there isn't a Debian package for it. Looks interesting, but I can't get it to play. Ju

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:28:23AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 07:44:59PM +, Pigeon wrote: > > Linux will get you through times of no money better than money will > > get you through times of no Linux... :-) > > That's the wisest thing I've heard all week. (And I've b

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 18:09, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:18:56AM -0600, Ray wrote: > > > > if you heard there was a movie/game/tech that had marketing > > running for 3 years before release, wouldn't that be a sign > > of major suckage to you too? Marketing can take many

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:34:17PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: I've heard that one of the original justifications for the GNU software project was to enable software professionals to have something to use and hold as they moved f

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +, Pigeon wrote: > Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo > C editor to edit text files; I think the guys who wrote EDIT.COM did > too. I remember c:\dos\edit.com fondly as well, pr

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:54:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > >> In a company where opensource products are referred to as "freeware" > >> and where many of the tools I *have* to use have no Linux-based > >> alternative, I'm best off using MS cr

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:34:17PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > I've heard that one of the original justifications for the GNU > software project was to enable software professionals to have > something to use and hold as they moved from one employer

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 07:44:59PM +, Pigeon wrote: > Linux will get you through times of no money better than money will > get you through times of no Linux... :-) That's the wisest thing I've heard all week. (And I've been dealing with a whole

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:47:14PM +1300, cr wrote: > On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:43, Pigeon wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +1300, cr wrote: > > > I suppose I could go all the way back to Edlin. > > > > I still use ed... > > ed - is that the DOS full screen editor?Vastly superio

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:40:01 +1300, cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'll make *one* exception - MS Project is actually quite a > well-thought-out piece of software. The only M$ one I know of. ..it is good looking, for serious work you'll wanna use it as a fron

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:43, Pigeon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +1300, cr wrote: > > DOS - most of its (very necessary) improvements were written as little > > apps by third-party developers (often copied from UNIX) and then copied > > by M$ > > Ah, nostalgia... I have quite a ros

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine > > > > they're losing too much sleep over quality or securit

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 at 22:57 GMT, Roberto Sanchez penned: Paul E Condon wrote: But when your employer provides tools, you really should use the provided tools. Except, perhaps, in situations where you can save a project by using something better. Or in situations where i

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 at 22:57 GMT, Roberto Sanchez penned: > > Paul E Condon wrote: > >> But when your employer provides tools, you really should use the >> provided tools. Except, perhaps, in situations where you can save a >> project by using something better. Or in situations where it is >> unl

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 at 22:34 GMT, Paul E Condon penned: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 12:03:16PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >> ... >> >> In a company where opensource products are referred to as "freeware" >> and where many of the tools I *have* to use have no Linux-based >> alternative, I'm best

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Paul E Condon wrote: But when your employer provides tools, you really should use the provided tools. Except, perhaps, in situations where you can save a project by using something better. Or in situations where it is unlikely that you will be 'found out'. If you are 'found out', deny using GNU/Li

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 12:03:16PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > ... > > In a company where opensource products are referred to as "freeware" and > where many of the tools I *have* to use have no Linux-based alternative, > I'm best off using MS crap. My boss would not be impressed if I told >

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 at 20:33 GMT, Vineet Kumar penned: > > > * Monique Y. Herman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031030 15:37]: >> Hah, vim just indented that line because I had a "case statement" in it. > >:set filetype=mail > It is. I apparently have an extremely mild boo-boo somewhere in my config.

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

...we have plenty of free software, and as we all know, > Linux will get you through times of no money better than money will > get you through times of no Linux... > :-) ditto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Friday 31 October 2003 20:44, Pigeon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:23:25PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: > > So what? They did indeed change a LOT. If you compare WinME to WinMX, see > > the fact that MS plans to include an actually useful firewall and disable > > several services (and of cou

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +1300, cr wrote: > DOS - most of its (very necessary) improvements were written as little apps > by third-party developers (often copied from UNIX) and then copied by M$ Ah, nostalgia... I have quite a rosy memory of DOS 3.x being pretty easy to work with. I

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:23:25PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: > So what? They did indeed change a LOT. If you compare WinME to WinMX, see the > fact that MS plans to include an actually useful firewall and disable several > services (and of course you'll have to avoid IE and OE), the bottomline i

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

* Monique Y. Herman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031030 15:37]: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 22:33 GMT, Tom penned: > > > > When I worked at Microsoft there was some discussion: far and away the > > most common use-case for Excel is entering a few rows and columns of > > data and making a chart. But nobody u

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

* David Palmer. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031030 14:35]: > Gnomes' Gnumeric has full excel functionality. Funny, I don't recall seeing anything that looked like a flight sim in the source... =p good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 at 10:15 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> penned: > > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > >> I'm being forced to use Excel and Powerpoint at work. I hate it. >> It's not just MS-specific, in this case: I hate data entry, and I >> hate prettifying it. > > Knoppix is y

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 07:56:01PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 19:11, Tom wrote: > > Theseus was walking in the woods one day, when he came across the house > > of a giant. Now, this giant considered himself a perfect host; all who > > visited him must spend the night, a

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Friday 31 October 2003 19:11, Tom wrote: > Theseus was walking in the woods one day, when he came across the house > of a giant. Now, this giant considered himself a perfect host; all who > visited him must spend the night, and must be given a bed which fits the > guest perfectly. > > Unfortuna

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:23:25PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: > Well, why not? To be honest, I've been really happy with the stability of my > Win2k install. If MS improves stuff like memory management, it ought to > become a damn fine OS. Of course, you can whine about DRM (I'm whining with > y

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > > > > > > > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine > > > they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted > > > Computing(tm) initiative notwithstand

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thursday 30 October 2003 17:41, Tom wrote: > Has anybody else been surprised by the amount of good press MS is > getting this week over longhorn? I think people are looking at the Mac > OS9 -> OSX total rewrite and projecting wishes for MS to do something as > drastic. Well, why not? To be hon

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Friday 31 October 2003 09:40, cr wrote: [...] > GWBasic [...] > I suppose I could go all the way back to Edlin. Oh... the cosy, warm nostalgia of it... edlin and assembly language... -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 22:33 GMT, Tom penned: > > > > When I worked at Microsoft there was some discussion: far and away the > > most common use-case for Excel is entering a few rows and columns of > > data and making a chart. But nobody uses Micr

RE: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > > > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine > > they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted > > Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. > > > > Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clo

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 18:09, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:18:56AM -0600, Ray wrote: > > if you heard there was a movie/game/tech that had marketing running > > for 3 years before release, wouldn't that be a sign of major sucka

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:07, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > I know the finance people I have worked with love excel and are proficient > at using it, for them it is a totally useful tool. > The researchers here all us excel and it is very useful and easy to be to > wite vba functions and have them centrali

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:34:38AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. koffice? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `-

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 01:00:59PM -0500, Kevin MacNeil wrote: > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine they're > losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted > Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. Well, depen

RE: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

> -Original Message- > From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 9:33 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:34:38AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > Excel i

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:18:56AM -0600, Ray wrote: > if you heard there was a movie/game/tech that had marketing running > for 3 years before release, wouldn't that be a sign of major suckage > to you too? History is repeating itself. See also: Dai

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 08:41:29AM -0800, Tom wrote: > It's like watching somebody involved in a bad marriage: I'll just stick > by him/her, they're bound to change. It's worth it, if only for the > kids. I can't wait until the ugly divorce. - --

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Paul Smith writes: > One thing that you can do in Excel that I know you can't do in OOo Calc, > for example, is create surface graphs; I've wanted to generate those cool > graphs from my iozone data Package: plotmtv Priority: optional Section: math Installed-Size: 2139 Maintainer: Mikael Hedin <[E

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 22:33 GMT, Tom penned: > > When I worked at Microsoft there was some discussion: far and away the > most common use-case for Excel is entering a few rows and columns of > data and making a chart. But nobody uses Microsoft tools like > Microsoft itself: you should have *seen

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

%% "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: dp> Gnomes' Gnumeric has full excel functionality. Is that true? One thing that you can do in Excel that I know you can't do in OOo Calc, for example, is create surface graphs; I've wanted to generate those cool graphs from my iozone data (see htt

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:34:38AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. When I worked at Microsoft there was some discussion: far and away the most common use-case for Excel is entering a few rows and columns of data and making a ch

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thursday 30 October 2003 22:34, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > Excel is pretty neat Have you tried =mod(9.3, 3.1) lately? Or was it 3.1, 9.3? Anyway, it should be 0, and it isn't in any versions of Excel I have seen. One thing I would require from such a software package was that it gave reasonab

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:34:38 +1100 "Joyce, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine > > they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted > > Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. > > > > Excel is pretty n

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:18:56 -0600 Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:41, Tom wrote: > > Has anybody else been surprised by the amount of good press MS is > > getting this week over longhorn? I think people are looking at the > > Mac OS9 -> OSX total rewrite and proje

RE: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

> > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine > they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted > Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. > Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL P

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:18:56 -0600, Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:41, Tom wrote: > > Has anybody else been surprised by the amount of good press MS is > > getting this week over longhorn? I think people are looking at the > > Mac

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:18:56AM -0600, Ray wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:41, Tom wrote: > > > > It's always interesting to watch 'em finally wake up. > > the way i was looking at it is longhorn must be horrible if the > marketing has to get this much of a running start on reviews befo

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 05:38:42PM +, Ken Gilmour wrote: > Ive tried the alpha version and it was so bad, on 512MB of RAM, a 60GB empty HDD > (Apart form the OS of course) and 1.5GHz processor it would take about 6 minutes to > open the start menu or a window such as "My Computer" using longh

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

Ive tried the alpha version and it was so bad, on 512MB of RAM, a 60GB empty HDD (Apart form the OS of course) and 1.5GHz processor it would take about 6 minutes to open the start menu or a window such as "My Computer" using longhorn milestone 5 - didnt look too shabby though - but then, neither

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:41, Tom wrote: > Has anybody else been surprised by the amount of good press MS is > getting this week over longhorn? I think people are looking at the > Mac OS9 -> OSX total rewrite and projecting wishes for MS to do > something as drastic. > > It's like watching so